P-Care

Mott the Hoople

Mott the Hoople

Sweet Jane
Has anyone read the alternative to Obama care that Republicans have just recently presented that they are calling "P-Care" and have you noticed that there is little significant difference between P-Care and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act?

It makes you wonder why Republicans have been pissing all over themselves (well we all know the real reason why the oppose the ACA).

http://www.mainstreet.com/article/f...t-proposed-republicans?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO
 
It is why today's GOP is not a viable party as they offer no viable alternative. This kind of steaming pile of shit is why I left the party and why they might as well call themselves democrats
 
The fix for healthcare is very simple. I could write a bill in three pages

1) repeal Obamacare
2) repeal Medicaid
3) repeal Medicare
4) decouple medical insurance from employment
5) return to major medical for BIG things
6) pay cash for everything else
7) lift restriction on selling policies across state lines and eliminate the monopolies

You will see more competition, more choice and lower costs
 
Teflon Don said:
The fix for healthcare is very simple. I could write a bill in three pages

1) repeal Obamacare
2) repeal Medicaid
3) repeal Medicare
4) decouple medical insurance from employment
5) return to major medical for BIG things
6) pay cash for everything else
7) lift restriction on selling policies across state lines and eliminate the monopolies

You will see more competition, more choice and lower costs
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yeah be a third world country
 
Teflon Don said:
The fix for healthcare is very simple. I could write a bill in three pages

1) repeal Obamacare
2) repeal Medicaid
3) repeal Medicare
4) decouple medical insurance from employment
5) return to major medical for BIG things
6) pay cash for everything else
7) lift restriction on selling policies across state lines and eliminate the monopolies

You will see more competition, more choice and lower costs
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You're onto something there. A return to health insurance, as opposed to comprehensive coverage.
 
Taft2016 said:
You're onto something there. A return to health insurance, as opposed to comprehensive coverage.
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I would argue that there is no such thing as health insurance as you really can't insure health. I prefer to call it medical insurance. Unfortunately, people really don't understand the true meaning of insurance. It is to protect against improbable, catastrophic events.
 
Teflon Don said:
The fix for healthcare is very simple. I could write a bill in three pages

1) repeal Obamacare
2) repeal Medicaid
3) repeal Medicare
4) decouple medical insurance from employment
5) return to major medical for BIG things
6) pay cash for everything else
7) lift restriction on selling policies across state lines and eliminate the monopolies

You will see more competition, more choice and lower costs
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For like maybe 3 people....and what does any of this have to do with P-Care and it's similarities to the ACA?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
For like maybe 3 people....and what does any of this have to do with P-Care and it's similarities to the ACA?
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Actually for everyone but believe me I don't expect you to agree. You can't wait to stand in line waiting for Uncle Sam to give you a digital exam.

As for the similarities, I already commented. That you didn't pay attention is not my problemo
 
Teflon Don said:
Actually for everyone but believe me I don't expect you to agree. You can't wait to stand in line waiting for Uncle Sam to give you a digital exam.

As for the similarities, I already commented. That you didn't pay attention is not my problemo
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Why should I agree. You have no data to back up your claims where as the three basic pillars of market reform embracked by the ACA have been used by nearly every industrialized nation on the planet and has proven that it works.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Has anyone read the alternative to Obama care that Republicans have just recently presented that they are calling "P-Care" and have you noticed that there is little significant difference between P-Care and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act?

It makes you wonder why Republicans have been pissing all over themselves (well we all know the real reason why the oppose the ACA).

http://www.mainstreet.com/article/f...t-proposed-republicans?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO
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They want to repeal it because they don't want another Democrat to get credit for another major life changing social program.

They could have negotiated for these changes, but it is all about party and not people.

They could have pushed for single payer and been real heroes!
 
If you take the time to read the PDF you will notice what is different and likely be glad to see it.
A big part is returning plan requirements back to the states. Presently required coverages are modeled after the most extreme state ones which drove rates way up.
It adresses pre existing much as it did before obamacare by requiring continuous coverage to get that protection.
Now it doesnt do much to improve costs but at least it doesnt require them to be artificially inflated by the law itself.
Check it out yourself, this article is biased (as articles often are) so believe what you see more than what you are told.
 
Sardonic said:
They want to repeal it because they don't want another Democrat to get credit for another major life changing social program.

They could have negotiated for these changes, but it is all about party and not people.

They could have pushed for single payer and been real heroes!
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Well I think that's obvious. Many of the market based reforms embodied by the ACA were compromises by Democrats who favored a single payer system the fact that no Republican voted for it indicated opposition was based solely on political partisanship.

What's interesting to me though is that it's almost a waving a white flag of surender in that the GOP is not talking about going back to the pay or suffer system we had before and have actually embraced reform as something that will move forward with or with out them.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Why should I agree. You have no data to back up your claims where as the three basic pillars of market reform embracked by the ACA have been used by nearly every industrialized nation on the planet and has proven that it works.
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Wrong. But like I said your mind isn't open to being changed so don't pretend it is
 
Teflon Don said:
The fix for healthcare is very simple. I could write a bill in three pages

1) repeal Obamacare
2) repeal Medicaid
3) repeal Medicare
4) decouple medical insurance from employment
5) return to major medical for BIG things
6) pay cash for everything else
7) lift restriction on selling policies across state lines and eliminate the monopolies

You will see more competition, more choice and lower costs
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Re #7 policies are minimally restricted across state lines. The reason you cannot get that 4k policy you see in Wisconsin in NY is because of policy riders required by NY. Beyond than all thats needed is licecnsing and reserves. The blame for this is misplaced all the time.
 
Celticguy said:
Re #7 policies are minimally restricted across state lines. The reason you cannot get that 4k policy you see in Wisconsin in NY is because of policy riders required by NY. Beyond than all thats needed is licecnsing and reserves. The blame for this is misplaced all the time.
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Agreed. Government created the problem and then people stupidly think that government can fix it. It is a mindset that is hard to understand. The only thing I can figure is that for people like Mott, life is really scary so he is willing to trade his freedoms for
Some perceived security whether it is financial or otherwise. Sad really.
 
Teflon Don said:
Agreed. Government created the problem and then people stupidly think that government can fix it. It is a mindset that is hard to understand. The only thing I can figure is that for people like Mott, life is really scary so he is willing to trade his freedoms for
Some perceived security whether it is financial or otherwise. Sad really.
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Know nothing of Mott so Ill pass on that.
People would not believe how true it is that government is all but exclusively responsible for the spiralling medical costs. Ditching the Medis would be great but no time soon, grandfathering would drag it out for a generation or more. Not unlike sunsetting SS as a requirement.
 
Teflon Don said:
The fix for healthcare is very simple. I could write a bill in three pages

1) repeal Obamacare
2) repeal Medicaid
3) repeal Medicare
4) decouple medical insurance from employment
5) return to major medical for BIG things
6) pay cash for everything else
7) lift restriction on selling policies across state lines and eliminate the monopolies

You will see more competition, more choice and lower costs
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And once again the poor get the shaft and have no way of getting treatment when they get sick.
 
Celticguy said:
People would not believe how true it is that government is all but exclusively responsible for the spiralling medical costs. Ditching the Medis would be great but no time soon, grandfathering would drag it out for a generation or more. Not unlike sunsetting SS as a requirement.
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Well by all means, show me how Government is all but exclusively responsible for spiraling medical costs.
 
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