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This is really fascinating, but in like, a horrific way. This is Tariq Ali, being interviewed. It's a long interview, so I'm just copying a little bit of it here.

"Well, the situation is very critical. Musharraf is incredibly unpopular at home now. Benazir is being savagely attacked by some of her own supporters for doing a deal with him under State Department pressure. And General Naseerullah Babar, who was her Interior Minister, has just publicly resigned from the party against the deal. So the situation politically is very volatile. "

"The Taliban in Afghanistan have cleaned up their act a bit. They appear publicly. They talk on television. And the situation has got so bad for the Karzai government in Afghanistan that they have openly sent peace feelers to the Taliban. Secret negotiations have taken place, and the Taliban have said they are prepared to join Karzai and the US-led government in Kabul, provided all foreign troops are withdrawn .

Well, Karzai refuses to do that, because without foreign troops his rule wouldn’t last more than forty-eight hours. But the fact that they are negotiating with the Taliban is in itself interesting and shows that basically they have not been able to defeat the Taliban, far from it, and that they’ve -- the situation in Afghanistan is now completely out of control. "


http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/10/1414233
 
Darla said:
This is really fascinating, but in like, a horrific way. This is Tariq Ali, being interviewed. It's a long interview, so I'm just copying a little bit of it here.

"Well, the situation is very critical. Musharraf is incredibly unpopular at home now. Benazir is being savagely attacked by some of her own supporters for doing a deal with him under State Department pressure. And General Naseerullah Babar, who was her Interior Minister, has just publicly resigned from the party against the deal. So the situation politically is very volatile. "

"The Taliban in Afghanistan have cleaned up their act a bit. They appear publicly. They talk on television. And the situation has got so bad for the Karzai government in Afghanistan that they have openly sent peace feelers to the Taliban. Secret negotiations have taken place, and the Taliban have said they are prepared to join Karzai and the US-led government in Kabul, provided all foreign troops are withdrawn .

Well, Karzai refuses to do that, because without foreign troops his rule wouldn’t last more than forty-eight hours. But the fact that they are negotiating with the Taliban is in itself interesting and shows that basically they have not been able to defeat the Taliban, far from it, and that they’ve -- the situation in Afghanistan is now completely out of control. "


http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/10/1414233
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I'm glad you posted this Darla. Afghanistan seems to have dropped off the radar screen for most of us.

This is pretty much consistent with a book I read years ago. The one by Michael Schreur, that CIA expert on Afghanistan. Did you read it? Anyway, he bascially said that no matter what we do, the fundamentalist pashtun are going to eventually rule afghanistan again. No matter how many pro-wester Karzai's we try to prop up in Kabul. History, demographics, and culture are all working against us, in the long run.
 
Cypress said:
I'm glad you posted this Darla. Afghanistan seems to have dropped off the radar screen for most of us.

This is pretty much consistent with a book I read years ago. The one by Michael Schreur, that CIA expert on Afghanistan. Did you read it? Anyway, he bascially said that no matter what we do, the fundamentalist pashtun are going to eventually rule afghanistan again. No matter how many pro-wester Karzai's we try to prop up in Kabul. History, demographics, and culture are all working against us, in the long run.
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No I didn't read it. I knew things were not good, but I did not know they were this bad. I wish we would put this adminstration in prison.
 
Darla said:
No I didn't read it. I knew things were not good, but I did not know they were this bad. I wish we would put this adminstration in prison.
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Ditto.

In fact, I'm pretty sure that Bush (and by extension, the people who voted for him) have killed more innocent people than Che ever did. :cof1:
 
Cypress said:
Ditto.

In fact, I'm pretty sure that Bush (and by extension, the people who voted for him) have killed more innocent people than Che ever did. :cof1:
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Now that is funny. Yeah, I'm just out here "murdering niggas in tha street" - Spice 1 circa 1989.
 
But Afghanistan is the hard fight and there is no way Bush was going to go there for any long term war on terror. Instead he went where it would be a cake walk and the people would greet us in the street as heros just like in Paris during WWII.

I have said from the outset that if he had committed to fight the war on terror in the country where 9-11 was masterminded and where the masterminds lived and operated from I would have supported this war from the get go. Shit for almost a year after 9-11 I flew the old Gasden "Don't Tread on Me" flag with the coiled up snake. I was ready for us to go kick the shit outta Al Qaeda. But instead we chose Iraq and that choice has made all the difference in my view of the war on terror.
 
Americans still don't get it about Afghanistan.

We invaded Afghanistan to build a pipeline. Mission accomplished.

The Taliban, 9/11, the Afghan people .. that's all bullshit.

We helped to create the Taliban, created 9/11 as an excuse to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, and we don't give a shit about the Afghan people.

The rest of the world gets it.
 
Yep Afganistan is about a pipeline to deliver oil industry products. And Iraq is about oil.

I still say all this will go down in histroy as the oil wars.
 
Damocles said:
Who "shouted him down as a lunatic"?
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Ohhh, please! I remember, Cypress do you remember that guy JohnDobbins? He was the Damo and SF of the bush board! The "moderate". The guy who wasn't a republican, so he was qualified to hold himself up above everybody and decide what was reasonable discourse and what wasn't. Of course, the only discourse he ever found unreasonable was from the "moonbats on the left". Oh , every once in a while he would call foul on someone on the right flipping out and claiming that "all muslims should be in concentration camps"...I mean, he wouldn't go THAT far.

Anyway, we all know this guy right? He posts here now, he posts everywhere. He's the "reasonable conservative".

And the "reasonable conservatives" were all making laughing stocks out of any liberal who even dared to say "well, maybe, could it be...could oil have anything to do with this"?

MOON BAT! HAHHAHAHHAHAH. LOOK AT THE MOONBAT! I LOVE THESE MOONBATS WALKING AROUND WITH THEIR "NO BLOOD FOR OIL SIGNS! WHERE'S YOUR TINFOIL HAT, MOONBAT!
 
Darla said:
Ohhh, please! I remember, Cypress do you remember that guy JohnDobbins? He was the Damo and SF of the bush board! The "moderate". The guy who wasn't a republican, so he was qualified to hold himself up above everybody and decide what was reasonable discourse and what wasn't. Of course, the only discourse he ever found unreasonable was from the "moonbats on the left". Oh , every once in a while he would call foul on someone on the right flipping out and claiming that "all muslims should be in concentration camps"...I mean, he wouldn't go THAT far.

Anyway, we all know this guy right? He posts here now, he posts everywhere. He's the "reasonable conservative".

And the "reasonable conservatives" were all making laughing stocks out of any liberal who even dared to say "well, maybe, could it be...could oil have anything to do with this"?

MOON BAT! HAHHAHAHHAHAH. LOOK AT THE MOONBAT! I LOVE THESE MOONBATS WALKING AROUND WITH THEIR "NO BLOOD FOR OIL SIGNS! WHERE'S YOUR TINFOIL HAT, MOONBAT!
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LOL

I totally remember that guy! HaHa, you are so right: The classic, "I'm an independent-moderate" guy, who somehow nearly always stuck up for bush against the "lefties".

Good times, Darla! :clink:
 
Darla said:
Ohhh, please! I remember, Cypress do you remember that guy JohnDobbins? He was the Damo and SF of the bush board! The "moderate". The guy who wasn't a republican, so he was qualified to hold himself up above everybody and decide what was reasonable discourse and what wasn't. Of course, the only discourse he ever found unreasonable was from the "moonbats on the left". Oh , every once in a while he would call foul on someone on the right flipping out and claiming that "all muslims should be in concentration camps"...I mean, he wouldn't go THAT far.

Anyway, we all know this guy right? He posts here now, he posts everywhere. He's the "reasonable conservative".

And the "reasonable conservatives" were all making laughing stocks out of any liberal who even dared to say "well, maybe, could it be...could oil have anything to do with this"?

MOON BAT! HAHHAHAHHAHAH. LOOK AT THE MOONBAT! I LOVE THESE MOONBATS WALKING AROUND WITH THEIR "NO BLOOD FOR OIL SIGNS! WHERE'S YOUR TINFOIL HAT, MOONBAT!
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I specifically was speaking of uscitizen. I've been posting with him for years and don't remember anybody "shouting him down as a lunatic" for saying that.
 
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