Philosophical mumbling from Fullpolitics.com

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Although I do realize that no one likes me at this site and few people will read beyond this word (and, of course, many of you are going to cut and paste that phrase, quote it and say, "you were right", in a witty attempt to mock me or something simialar, I'd prefer if you refrained.) we had an interesting debate at FP that resulted in this essay, and I thought it was relatively interesting enough to re-post. Heck, DW liked it. I think he's my follower now.


Anyway:

I won't say my proposal is responsible for all happiness or even correct, but it has a ring of truth to it.

It's not getting what we want that makes us happen. It's the process of getting what we want. Imagine you could do anything in instantly. Your life would be pointless.

Some say they'd be happy had they a million dollars. So, what if someone gave you a million dollars? Then what? You'd spend it. Then it would be over with. Your quality of life would improve and then things would stabilize. It wouldn't matter at all to you after that.

Think about what makes people around you important to you. Could it be the fact that they don't care about you? An actor doesn't care about you at all, and they're the coolest person in the world. An ant, in contrast, is infinitely uncool. You couldn't care less about it and you're completely important to it.

It's as if being scared of something makes us want it. We're scared that we're worthless and that no one else cares about us, and we want others to care about us, and that makes us think of them as important.

If you were the most important person in the whole goddamn world, how happy would you be? You wouldn't be. Others would envy you, but if others knew how you felt they'd pity you, since you'd be the saddest man on the face of the Earth. Life would be pointless, because you've attained all of your goals. And then there'd be nowhere to go, nowhere to look for, nothing at all for you.


Consider that no one is really selfish (selfish in a way that you only want to improve yourself, not the broadened definition). Most people say Grind is selfish. But he's stated before that he'd be against a progressive income tax, even if it negatively affected our economy and hurt him. This little ironically unselfish belief shows that he does care about things. Like all of us do. If Grind didn't care about anything, he'd kill himself, because his life would be meaningless. All of us would.

I'm scared shitless of being successful.

What's an example of a person that's completely successful? A heroine addict. They've chemically altered his brain to acheive a state of happiness that he'll never reach anywhere else in life, and couldn't have reached otherwise. After that, there isn't anything in life for them. Just ask a heroine addict the most important moment of their life. Whenever they put the needle in their vein. They will be ashamed to admit it, but it will pop up in their heads.





Just some random thoughts from WM...
 
I can buy that. That's why people that have everything handed to them turn out to be miserable SOBs in a lot of cases. The journey of getting what you want helps you find out who you are and what you're capable of doing. If you never go through that journey you're lost.
 
You could sum your point up by saying that people attempt to find meaning and significance in their life, but the sources of meaning are often fleeting.

For example some people find meaning in the consumption of goods, but once purchase has been completed, the meaning derived from the consumption of the good dwindles and we start to look for another source. (a new motorbike for example).

People try to find meaning in greater things, in success, in drugs, in religion, but these too are fleeting. If we attain meaning from something, we know the search will begin again. And so we fear attaining it, we fear the anticlimax. It makes people anxious to think of themselves like a dog chasing its tail.
 
That's why people that have everything handed to them turn out to be miserable SOBs in a lot of cases.

Someone who hasn't had to work to find sources of meaning, people who get it handed to them quickly go through fleeting sources of meaning. The quicker you do, the quicker you realise you resemble a dog chasing its tail.
 
That's why people that have everything handed to them turn out to be miserable SOBs in a lot of cases.

Someone who hasn't had to work to find sources of meaning, people who get it handed to them quickly go through fleeting sources of meaning. The quicker you do, the quicker you realise you resemble a dog chasing its tail.

Like Bush searching for his self worth thru a war ?
 
Like Bush searching for his self worth thru a war ?

His rebirth as a fundie certainly fits this, as does his mission to spread abstract notions such as 'freedom'....
 
Sure, he was gonna complete what his daddy didn't, also get the guy who tried to kill his daddy and be the hero to the whole Iraqi population, but this was Cheney bedtime story to him. He wasn't talking to the right guys! Like his dad!
 
You could sum your point up by saying that people attempt to find meaning and significance in their life, but the sources of meaning are often fleeting.

For example some people find meaning in the consumption of goods, but once purchase has been completed, the meaning derived from the consumption of the good dwindles and we start to look for another source. (a new motorbike for example).

People try to find meaning in greater things, in success, in drugs, in religion, but these too are fleeting. If we attain meaning from something, we know the search will begin again. And so we fear attaining it, we fear the anticlimax. It makes people anxious to think of themselves like a dog chasing its tail.

Then I realize there is little meaning in what I do. But I still do it. I just don't dwell long over it.
 
Then I realize there is little meaning in what I do. But I still do it. I just don't dwell long over it.

No innate meaning, but that doesn't mean meaning doesn't exist. You will find meaning in what you invest it in. Just beware to pick sources of meaning that have some substance...
 
Then I realize there is little meaning in what I do. But I still do it. I just don't dwell long over it.

No innate meaning, but that doesn't mean meaning doesn't exist. You will find meaning in what you invest it in. Just beware to pick sources of meaning that have some substance...

Like Star Trek?

Well I HATE Star Trek. Glad we had this conversation.
 
Like Star Trek?

Well I HATE Star Trek. Glad we had this conversation.

Ha ha ha! Some people, who are not best described as balanced, concentrate the source from which they draw meaning in one or two things only.

We call these nerds (eg trekkies) or stalkers (concentrate on a woman)...

Most people derive meaning from many, interwoven sources....
 
What if I'm obsessed over a woman (I send her love letters all the time, with toenail clippings. Sorry, it's just a personal fetish. I think she understands that, though.) and I love Star Trek?
 
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