Plato on How Democracy Always Creates Socialism

[TravisBickle]

Few people realize that Leftism is the product of civilization decline as well as the force that pushes the decline further toward completion. Drawing distinctions between groups of Leftists is as meaningless as talking about small versus large forest fires; given time, the former inevitably becomes the latter.

This means that as soon as you accept “equality” as a goal into your society, you are on a path that will not stop until something like forced socialism is achieved. Even the moderate Leftists are pushing toward this goal, whether they admit it or volubly deny it.

Twenty-four hundred years ago, Plato wrote about how socialism arises from democracy because of their shared basis in egalitarianism:

And this is called the wealthy class, and the drones feed upon them.
That is pretty much the case, he said.
The people are a third class, consisting of those who work with their own hands; they are not politicians, and have not much to live upon. This, when assembled, is the largest and most powerful class in a democracy.
True, he said; but then the multitude is seldom willing to congregate unless they get a little honey.
And do they not share? I said. Do not their leaders deprive the rich of their estates and distribute them among the people; at the same time taking care to reserve the larger part for themselves?
Why, yes, he said, to that extent the people do share.
And the persons whose property is taken from them are compelled to defend themselves before the people as they best can?
What else can they do?
And then, although they may have no desire of change, the others charge them with plotting against the people and being friends of oligarchy? True.
And the end is that when they see the people, not of their own accord, but through ignorance, and because they are deceived by informers, seeking to do them wrong, then at last they are forced to become oligarchs in reality; they do not wish to be, but the sting of the drones torments them and breeds revolution in them.
That is exactly the truth.
Then come impeachments and judgments and trials of one another.
True.
The people have always some champion whom they set over them and nurse into greatness.
Yes, that is their way.
This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears above ground he is a protector.

Plato on How Democracy Always Creates Socialism

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How very interesting that that Leftist incessantly talk of their Democracy..... now we know were that is going. We are supposed to be living in a Representative Republic. Leftist want to get rid of the Electoral College.... why?.... So the masses who are crammed in the city get to rule all of us others!

 

[Walt]

That is amazing. Plato was able to predict socialism, which was not invented until over 2,000 years later.

 

[Cypress]

Few people realize that Leftism is the product of civilization decline as well as the force that pushes the decline further toward completion. Drawing distinctions between groups of Leftists is as meaningless as talking about small versus large forest fires; given time, the former inevitably becomes the latter.

This means that as soon as you accept “equality” as a goal into your society, you are on a path that will not stop until something like forced socialism is achieved. Even the moderate Leftists are pushing toward this goal, whether they admit it or volubly deny it.

Twenty-four hundred years ago, Plato wrote about how socialism arises from democracy because of their shared basis in egalitarianism:

Plato on How Democracy Always Creates Socialism

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How very interesting that that Leftist incessantly talk of their Democracy..... now we know were that is going. We are supposed to be living in a Representative Republic. Leftist want to get rid of the Electoral College.... why?.... So the masses who are crammed in the city get to rule all of us others!

Plato was talking about the direct democracy of ancient Athens, not the constitutional representative democracy typical in the west since the 20th century. Nobody is practicing the direct democracy of 5th century BC Athens.

Before you start citing Plato an admirable authority on governance, Plato in the Republic thought society should practice eugenics, women should stay home and have no voice in civil affairs, raising children should be the responsibility of state, and the republic should be ruled as a hierarchial aristocracy.

 

[IBDaMann]

Few people realize that Leftism is the product of civilization decline as well as the force that pushes the decline further toward completion.

I can't say how many people realize this, but it is accurate. Leftists are society's cancer. They do not contribute in value-added ways, but rather attack all that adds value to society and all that brings happiness to people.

One will readily notice that leftists are undereducated and gullible, and depend upon others to do their thinking for them, as they are quick to anger and slow to understand.

Drawing distinctions between groups of Leftists is as meaningless as talking about small versus large forest fires; given time, the former inevitably becomes the latter.

I disagree. Always hedge your situation by keeping some communists (or Marxist anarchists) around. Yes, communists cause society to incur a cost, but a bearable one ... of annoyance ... but they oppose socialism like no other force, and will stand as your last line of defence against tyranny. While normal people are surrendering to socialist tyranny, communists are digging and going full guerrilla.

Trust me. Make the distinction.

This means that as soon as you accept “equality” as a goal into your society, you are on a path that will not stop until something like forced socialism is achieved.

Correct. "Fair" is not the same thing as "Equal." If you and I play a game of chess, and if I'm a much better player than you are, I have to make it unequal, i.e. remove a couple of pieces, to make it fair. The moment one legitimizes the contradiction of "equality" being "fairness" then society is doomed. Men will enter women's sports to make everything fair for everyone, and everything will become unfair. Taxation will be made unfair in order to bring about fairness and equality. Conservatives will be arrested and/or executed for protesting, thus becoming unequal under the law in the name of treating everyone equal under the law.

Even the moderate Leftists are pushing toward this goal, whether they admit it or volubly deny it.

FALSE! There is no such thing as a moderate leftist. To be a leftist is to deny human nature, science, math, logic and all rationality. To be a leftist is to support the killing of living humans who have not committed any crime. There is no such thing as a moderate of this overarching position.

Leftist want to get rid of the Electoral College.... why?.... So the masses who are crammed in the city get to rule all of us others!

Close. They want the thought-masters who cram their slaves into cities and defenselessness zones to rule us all.

 

[Yakuda]

That is amazing. Plato was able to predict socialism, which was not invented until over 2,000 years later.

Oh you think all these ideas are new do you?

 

[Walt]

Oh you think all these ideas are new do you?

I think industrial revolution is relatively new.

You know what was relatively new in Plato's time? Money.

 

[Yakuda]

I think industrial revolution is relatively new.

You know what was relatively new in Plato's time? Money.

But people have always been people. If we went back to Plato's time there is no doubt wed be able to easily identify people that we now call leftists

 

[Walt]

But people have always been people. If we went back to Plato's time there is no doubt wed be able to easily identify people that we now call leftists

I suppose them having modern clothing and cell phones would make them easy to pick out.

 

[Hume]

Few people realize that Leftism is the product of civilization decline as well as the force that pushes the decline further toward completion. Drawing distinctions between groups of Leftists is as meaningless as talking about small versus large forest fires; given time, the former inevitably becomes the latter.

This means that as soon as you accept “equality” as a goal into your society, you are on a path that will not stop until something like forced socialism is achieved. Even the moderate Leftists are pushing toward this goal, whether they admit it or volubly deny it.

Twenty-four hundred years ago, Plato wrote about how socialism arises from democracy because of their shared basis in egalitarianism:

Plato on How Democracy Always Creates Socialism

Post 'Plato on How Democracy Always Creates Socialism' On Amerika.org realist conservative blog

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How very interesting that that Leftist incessantly talk of their Democracy..... now we know were that is going. We are supposed to be living in a Representative Republic. Leftist want to get rid of the Electoral College.... why?.... So the masses who are crammed in the city get to rule all of us others!

you are nuts

 

[Hume]

Few people realize that Leftism is the product of civilization decline as well as the force that pushes the decline further toward completion. Drawing distinctions between groups of Leftists is as meaningless as talking about small versus large forest fires; given time, the former inevitably becomes the latter.

This means that as soon as you accept “equality” as a goal into your society, you are on a path that will not stop until something like forced socialism is achieved. Even the moderate Leftists are pushing toward this goal, whether they admit it or volubly deny it.

Twenty-four hundred years ago, Plato wrote about how socialism arises from democracy because of their shared basis in egalitarianism:

Plato on How Democracy Always Creates Socialism

Post 'Plato on How Democracy Always Creates Socialism' On Amerika.org realist conservative blog

www.amerika.org

How very interesting that that Leftist incessantly talk of their Democracy..... now we know were that is going. We are supposed to be living in a Representative Republic. Leftist want to get rid of the Electoral College.... why?.... So the masses who are crammed in the city get to rule all of us others!

Where does that Plato quote come from
? Do you know?

 

[Nordberg]

The truth is we are nearing the takeover of America by the super-rich and powerful. The people are not getting more powerful and are not prospering. The wealth gap is worse than the Gilded Age. The plutocrats are stealing the wealth created by labor. They have the power and Trump is one of them. Actually, he is the fool they are using. He has no idea what he is doing, but the super wealthy are pleased.

 

[evince]

Look up the word Democracy

You will understand the terms involved have evolved


The right wing brains are incapable of evolving it seems

 

[evince]

The truth is we are nearing the takeover of America by the super-rich and powerful. The people are not getting more powerful and are not prospering. The wealth gap is worse than the Gilded Age. The plutocrats are stealing the wealth created by labor. They have the power and Trump is one of them. Actually, he is the fool they are using. He has no idea what he is doing, but the super wealthy are pleased.

He’s just a tool

They would off him the second they didn’t need his flabby ass anymore

 

[evince]

Democracy | Definition, History, Meaning, Types, Examples, & Facts | Britannica

Democracy is a system of government in which power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or through freely elected representatives. The term is derived from the Greek ‘demokratia,’ which was coined in the 5th century BCE to denote the political systems of some Greek city-states...

www.britannica.com

 

[evince]

Democratic institutions​

Since the time of the ancient Greeks, both the theory and the practice of democracyhave undergone profound changes, many of which have concerned the prevailing answers to questions 1 through 3 above. Thus, for thousands of years the kind of association in which democracy was practiced, the tribe or the city-state, was small enough to be suitable for some form of democracy by assembly, or “direct democracy.” Much later, beginning in the 18th century, as the typical association became the nation-state or country, direct democracy gave way to representative democracy—a transformation so sweeping that, from the perspective of a citizen of ancient Athens, the governments of gigantic associations such as France or the United States might not have appeared democratic at all. This change in turn entailed a new answer to question 3: Representative democracy would require a set of political institutions radically different from those of all earlier democracies.

 

[evince]

Fucking Russian whore baits lie about the word democracy

 

[evince]

beginning in the 18th century, as the typical association became the nation-state or country, direct democracy gave way to representative democracy



Lying about the modern meaning of words makes you pud pounding assholes

 

[evince]

Why are Republican assholes using definitions that are hundreds of years outdated?


Because they are fucking idiots

 

[T. A. Gardner]

The truth is we are nearing the takeover of America by the super-rich and powerful. The people are not getting more powerful and are not prospering. The wealth gap is worse than the Gilded Age. The plutocrats are stealing the wealth created by labor. They have the power and Trump is one of them. Actually, he is the fool they are using. He has no idea what he is doing, but the super wealthy are pleased.

That is typical as the Left gets control. The truly rich and the politically powerful insulate themselves from the social carnage they create with Leftist politics. They don't force the altruism they expect of others on themselves. From Mexico to Argentina, there have been Leftist governments for centuries and they all ended up doing exactly that. There was an insulated rich and political class at the top, a small middle-class that catered to them, and the other 90-ish percent of the population were poor peasants. That's where the Left always ends up, unless they are really virulent and then they kill of a few million people along the way to boot.

 

[Hume]

Few people realize that Leftism is the product of civilization decline

Because it is false.