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Southern Man said:
Or, the black person is twice as likely to have actually committed it. Either conclusion could be true.
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No, you could only come to that conclusion if you are a racist or you didn't read the study that was sited.

""Our research shows that blacks comprise 62.7 percent and whites 36.7 percent of all drug offenders admitted to state prison, even though federal surveys and other data detailed in this report show clearly that this racial disparity bears scant relation to racial differences in drug offending. There are, for example, five times more white drug users than black. Relative to population, black men are admitted to state prison on drug charges at a rate that is 13.4 times greater than that of white men."


The huge difference in those sent to prison "bears scant relation to racial differences in drug offending" means that there is a much larger difference in people in prison (by race) than there is in drug offences.

Five times more white drug users, according to that study, and yet almost twice as many blacks go to jail.




You can try and dispute the facts, if you want. But to say that socioeconomics are a part of the problem is simply wrong.

And to have read those facts and still claim that blacks commit twice the number of crimes is either ignorance or racism. Pick one.
 
Southern Man said:
So the juries must be conspiring. :)
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So you must have realized that your "Either conclusion could be true" comment was laughable and you are now going with a strawman?

Why not pretend it was all a joke, that might help you save face.
 
Juries are very good at making the right decisions. It is more reasonable to assume that than to believe that they are wrong so often and send innocent blacks to jail.
 
Southern Man said:
Juries are very good at making the right decisions. It is more reasonable to assume that than to believe that they are wrong so often and send innocent blacks to jail.
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And the juries do not pass sentences after a guilty verdict is returned.

Juries also do not decide where the majority of drug enforcement manpower is focused. Nor do they arrest far more blacks than whites despite the fact that more whites use drugs.
 
Southern Man said:
Juries are very good at making the right decisions. It is more reasonable to assume that than to believe that they are wrong so often and send innocent blacks to jail.
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Also, you are ignoring the fact that when blacks and whites are convicted of the same crimes, blacks go to prison twice as often.

That has nothing to do with the juries.

The war on drugs is racist. You have been shown ample evidence and plenty of facts to see this. Be a man and admit you were wrong.
 
Perhaps the black person is twice as likely to have actually committed it. Again, the jury system may be imperfect, but more often than not, the correct decision is made.
 
Southern Man said:
Perhaps the black person is twice as likely to have actually committed it. Again, the jury system may be imperfect, but more often than not, the correct decision is made.
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The black person is twice as likely to have committed it??? Did you not read the facts of the study??

When blacks and whites are convicted of similar crimes, the blacks are twice as likely to be sent to prison.

The jury has nothing to do with that. They make sentencing recommendations, but nothing more.

And by the time it gets to the jury, much of the racist behavior has already happened. It is the fact that law enforcement focuses on poor blacks that is the biggest part of the problem.
 
Southern Man said:
Perhaps the black person is twice as likely to have actually committed it. Again, the jury system may be imperfect, but more often than not, the correct decision is made.
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The fact that you even posted this, despite all the evidence to the contrary, shows your true nature.

You really ought to stop here. Trying to beat me in this debate is making you look worse and worse.
 
You're study assumes that the juries are very often wrong, supposedly due to prejudice. That's quite an accusation of the legal system.
 
Southern Man said:
You're study assumes that the juries are very often wrong, supposedly due to prejudice. That's quite an accusation of the legal system.
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It does nothing of the sort. You are trying to divert this away from what has already been shown.

The juries are not the ones who pass sentences.

The juries are not the ones who decide where to focus the efforts of drug enforcement.
 
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