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SmarterthanYou

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This is what happens when you let the police union get too powerful.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2017026414_doj16m.html

A federal civil-rights investigation into the Seattle Police Department has found routine and widespread use of excessive force by officers, and city and police officials were told at a stormy Thursday night meeting that they must fix the problems or face a federal lawsuit, according to two sources.

The meeting, attended by Mayor Mike McGinn, Police Chief John Diaz, members of his command staff and others, ended in raised voices and bitter accusations by city and police officials, upset at the Justice Department's findings, the sources said. One source said the language in the agency's report, to be officially released Friday, is "astoundingly critical" of the department.

The investigation focused on the use of force and allegations of biased policing against minorities.

Three weeks ago, the Justice Department issued a sharply worded letter urging the Police Department to immediately address a policy that allows officers to invoke their protections against self-incrimination in even the most routine use-of-force issues. Justice officials said the policy made prosecutions of errant officers difficult and undermined public confidence.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
This is what happens when you let the police union get too powerful.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2017026414_doj16m.html

A federal civil-rights investigation into the Seattle Police Department has found routine and widespread use of excessive force by officers, and city and police officials were told at a stormy Thursday night meeting that they must fix the problems or face a federal lawsuit, according to two sources.

The meeting, attended by Mayor Mike McGinn, Police Chief John Diaz, members of his command staff and others, ended in raised voices and bitter accusations by city and police officials, upset at the Justice Department's findings, the sources said. One source said the language in the agency's report, to be officially released Friday, is "astoundingly critical" of the department.

The investigation focused on the use of force and allegations of biased policing against minorities.

Three weeks ago, the Justice Department issued a sharply worded letter urging the Police Department to immediately address a policy that allows officers to invoke their protections against self-incrimination in even the most routine use-of-force issues. Justice officials said the policy made prosecutions of errant officers difficult and undermined public confidence.
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Well wtf would you do if you had to manage a city full of 3D's?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
No comments from the peanut gallery please.
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sadly, alias is quite right in this. the people are no longer the boss when it comes to the unions of the largest street gangs in america. all too often, political leaders who are vying for the coveted endorsements of police unions totally ignore the rights of the people and create legislation based upon the wishes of law enforcement, take the open carry ban in california for example.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
sadly, alias is quite right in this. the people are no longer the boss when it comes to the unions of the largest street gangs in america. all too often, political leaders who are vying for the coveted endorsements of police unions totally ignore the rights of the people and create legislation based upon the wishes of law enforcement, take the open carry ban in california for example.
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It's not the institution that's bad it's the people and the lack of appropriate controls which is the problem.

Remember that we don't want to throw out the baby with the bath water.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
It's not the institution that's bad it's the people and the lack of appropriate controls which is the problem.

Remember that we don't want to throw out the baby with the bath water.
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And that points right to the union. The union is what stands between the people and their govt. That is un-American.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
It's not the institution that's bad it's the people and the lack of appropriate controls which is the problem.

Remember that we don't want to throw out the baby with the bath water.
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if from the top down, you have officers running end arounds the law and the city in order to have zero accountability for misconduct, the baby is dead. throw it out.
 
If Seattle government wasn't so schitzophrenic, where everyone is fighting against each other over such things as law-enforcement and transportation, it wouldn't have gotten this bad. The police feel as though they have no allies in Seattle government, and so they get a bit out of hand. The government, meanwhile, tends to give them shitty rules about how to enforce the laws of the city, and so the cycle continues on.

As an example, the city has a horrible (and horribly inconsistent) policy on homelessness, and the police get left holding the baggage.
 
There really is no reason why being a cop in a metropolis the size of Seattle should suck as much as it does. This isn't exactly LA or NY, and Seattle doesn't have the problems of a Chicago or a Miami, for that matter.
 
The FBI is also looking at Spokane cops and their excessive use of force. Too much union, not enough justice.
 
There's been a lot of shit happening in both cities the last few years. In Seattle, there's still the fallout from the "woodcarver" episode, where a cop considered a bum with a woodcarving knife to be a threat due to a history of offenses and an apparent unwillingness to comply with him, so he shot the bum several times, and was caught on camera.
 
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