Portrait of a Modern Feminist: Helen Smith

apple0154 said:
Exactly! It's like when men complain about divorce and being taken to the cleaners it's because the men had the money to lose. Women's liberation here has resulted in equal division of property, pensions, etc. assuming no children are involved. It's the guy who thought he could control the woman, keep her at home, keep her subservient who has lost the game. Now, when a marriage ends, the little dictator realizes the woman owns half of everything he worked for and denied her the same right to obtain.

Just as birth control and abortion partially freed women sexually the ability to be self-supporting has further sexually freed women. The notion of a provider does not have to weigh heavily on her choice of a mate because she can now provide for herself. It's mostly the alpha males who complain the loudest because one the most important things in ones life, if not the most important, is ones mate while money and prestige are becoming less and less valuable. The woman is free to "shop" for her sexual partner and life doesn't get better than that! Well, except for the shrinking dicks in society. :rofl2:

That, I believe, is at the heart of the controversy. After food and shelter sex is the next thing on ones "must have" list and a man's financial position is playing a lesser and lesser role. The woman has become assertive. She can choose a sex partner based on desire rather than financial need and I'm perfectly fine with that. :)
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That is a very simplistic analysis, Apple.
 
christiefan915 said:
Yes, they do. Why else wouldn't they sign a measure that insured fairness for everyone?

WASHINGTON -- Senate Republicans on Tuesday blocked a bill that would have ensured women are paid the same amount as their male counterparts. The Senate failed to secure the 60 votes needed to advance the Paycheck Fairness Act, which would have required employers to demonstrate that any salary differences between men and women doing the same work are not gender-related. The bill also would have prohibited employers from retaliating against employees who share salary information with their co-workers, and would have required the Labor Department to increase its outreach to employers to help eliminate pay disparities.


The final vote was 52-47, with all Republicans opposing the bill. That included female Sens. Kelly Ayotte (N.H.), Susan Collins (Maine), Kay Bailey Hutchison (Texas), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Olympia Snowe (Maine).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/05/paycheck-fairness-act-senate-vote_n_1571413.html
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we already have a law which requires equal pay.......this bill was defeated because of disagreement with punitive damages.......
 
christiefan915 said:
That's the same with my experiences too, I just wanted to hear if a man would say it. And it's just another reason why women have so much trouble getting ahead. You have old farts like bravo saying that society went down the tubes when women started to speak up for themselves, postpone marriage and child-bearing, and enter the work force in greater numbers. IOW America was supposedly a better place when men and women followed the traditional paths. So in those minds women get the blame for the so-called demise of traditional values. Then they get criticized for wanting equality, criticized for putting kids in day care, criticized for being stay-at-home moms, criticized for not contributing financially to the household, criticized for wanting to join the Augusta country club, etc. etc. Now come the latest buzzwords, that there's a war on men. It's just so much BS.
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Rereading this, I see it's exactly the argument Bork tried to make in his book. Blame it on the liberals.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Oh I've seen some ugly shit there man. I wouldn't like that at all. A man has virtually no rights in child custody cases except to support them. I don't know how many times I've seen vindictive ex wives deny their husbands visitation or custody rights, up to even defying court orders and getting away with it. That's why I said "Thank God we didn't have any children." in describing my own case. That shit gets ugly!!!
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And I've seen the other side, too. Where the man blows off his visitation rights, where the man remarries and starts a new family and forgets about the old one, where the man moves out of state and claims he can't afford to see the kids, etc. etc.

Also, I see more and more cases lately where the couple is awarded joint custody. Maybe somewhere there's a statistic showing how many go down that road.
 
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