Property taxes make you property of the Government?

RyszardKuklinski said:
How are we full property owners if we pay property tax!?

BTW. Property tax is added to the cost of rents too.
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I own products I buy although I pay a sales tax on them. I own the income I make although I pay an income tax. I own my home although I pay a property tax. I am the full property owner because I can sell my house at market value.
 
Flash said:
I own products I buy although I pay a sales tax on them. I own the income I make although I pay an income tax. I own my home although I pay a property tax. I am the full property owner because I can sell my house at market value.
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If you don't pay your property taxes see how long you last!
 
Property taxes are a pain in the ass.
Who the hell needs, schools, cops, firefighters, streets and sidewalks (does red state America know about sidewalks?), parks, playgrounds, and if you live in a civilized place, trash pickup?
 
Flash said:
I own products I buy although I pay a sales tax on them. I own the income I make although I pay an income tax. I own my home although I pay a property tax. I am the full property owner because I can sell my house at market value.
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Miss paying your property taxes and see what happens...
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Property taxes are a pain in the ass.
Who the hell needs, schools, cops, firefighters, streets and sidewalks (does red state America know about sidewalks?), parks, playgrounds, and if you live in a civilized place, trash pickup?
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Didn't deny that taxes are the basis of civilization.

Just that there are other ways to pay for the tab.
Like upping taxes on tobacco, luxury cars, alcohol, marijuana products, yahts
Not
To mention taxes on millionaires income.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Property taxes are a pain in the ass.
Who the hell needs, schools, cops, firefighters, streets and sidewalks (does red state America know about sidewalks?), parks, playgrounds, and if you live in a civilized place, trash pickup?
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A fallacy of exclusive premises. That is, one doesn't result in the other necessarily. All of what you list can be paid for in other ways than property tax. There are countries that don't have property taxes.

https://www.globalfromasia.com/tax-...ks and Caicos Islands 22 United Arab Emirates

In many rural areas, firefighting and things like ambulance service are paid by subscription not property tax. Trash pick up is done the same way. Parks and playgrounds are rarely paid for by property tax but rather come out of general revenue from sales taxes. Schools in most locales are the primary recipient of property tax but could be paid for by other taxes or subscription too.

I find, in particular, property tax on a primary personal residence onerous and unnecessary. Sure, tax commercial property, second and third homes, but a primary residence should be owned tax free. That means once you pay for it you owe nobody anything and it's yours forever. That would be the right thing to do. That would turn America into a country of owners of their own homes and people could get away from having to pay rent or being homeless. But the Left in particular, doesn't want you to be an owner. If you were, you'd never vote for them or their Socialist policies.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Property taxes are a pain in the ass.
Who the hell needs, schools, cops, firefighters, streets and sidewalks (does red state America know about sidewalks?), parks, playgrounds, and if you live in a civilized place, trash pickup?
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Maybe taxing the sh!t out of legalized abortion is a solution both sides might compromise on!?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Miss paying your property taxes and see what happens...
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You do not believe we should have a government that operates on taxes? No defense, no immigration control, no highways? It would not be fair for you to help support those functions while I could refuse to pay my taxes with no penalty.
 
It is an easy observation to make throughout the globe that the most civilized places with the best quality of life are the places that have the highest taxation.
It's just a fact.
 
Flash said:
You do not believe we should have a government that operates on taxes? No defense, no immigration control, no highways? It would not be fair for you to help support those functions while I could refuse to pay my taxes with no penalty.
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Complex question fallacy. Of course, government needs taxes to do stuff. What they don't need necessarily is to tax real estate to get that money. Defense, immigration law, highways are not paid from property taxes now by the way.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Property taxes are a pain in the ass.
Who the hell needs, schools, cops, firefighters, streets and sidewalks (does red state America know about sidewalks?), parks, playgrounds, and if you live in a civilized place, trash pickup?
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In my area property taxes are about 10K A year.

More than half goes to the schools.

But, I don't think the difference between 1K or 6K going to schools makes much of a difference.

A lot of it is also sports spending.

Besides, many countries with far less school spending do a lot better than the USA on educational PISA scores like China, Japan, Estonia, and Poland.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
A fallacy of exclusive premises. That is, one doesn't result in the other necessarily. All of what you list can be paid for in other ways than property tax. There are countries that don't have property taxes.

https://www.globalfromasia.com/tax-...ks and Caicos Islands 22 United Arab Emirates

In many rural areas, firefighting and things like ambulance service are paid by subscription not property tax. Trash pick up is done the same way. Parks and playgrounds are rarely paid for by property tax but rather come out of general revenue from sales taxes. Schools in most locales are the primary recipient of property tax but could be paid for by other taxes or subscription too.

I find, in particular, property tax on a primary personal residence onerous and unnecessary. Sure, tax commercial property, second and third homes, but a primary residence should be owned tax free. That means once you pay for it you owe nobody anything and it's yours forever. That would be the right thing to do. That would turn America into a country of owners of their own homes and people could get away from having to pay rent or being homeless. But the Left in particular, doesn't want you to be an owner. If you were, you'd never vote for them or their Socialist policies.
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It's always interesting how conservatives have such a childish way of viewing the world. It's like they don't understand anything that is more complex than 2+2. Do you really think that if you buy a house there is no cost after the purchase? The home has costs. Many of those costs are societal costs for your home. Even if you collect the taxes in a way other than property tax, the taxes will still be collected and if you don't pay your taxes the government will take property to pay the unpaid taxes. If a city were to not collect taxes from homeowners and instead collect it from commercial property you would quickly find yourself as a city with no commercial property.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
It is an easy observation to make throughout the globe that the most civilized places with the best quality of life are the places that have the highest taxation.
It's just a fact.
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A lot of school taxes go to high paid teachers & sports tracks or gyms etc.

Not that I think teachers should be paid out minimum wage.

But, neither should people in droves move out because they can't afford property taxes.
 
RyszardKuklinski said:
Property taxes can add a lot to rents too.

Why is it helpful for the working & lower classes to have less ability to buy property & or pay rents!?
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Property/School taxes should be a shared burden. State taxes should be raised in order to lower the burden on the homeowner.

However, if you want local services, someone is going to pay for them. Your suggestion would beg the same exact 'burden' question by smokers/drinkers
 
NiftyNiblick said:
It is an easy observation to make throughout the globe that the most civilized places with the best quality of life are the places that have the highest taxation.
It's just a fact.
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I have a Polish immigrant friend in Manchester UK.

He thinks the 10K A year property taxes here are insane & not found in Europe.

The kicker is in Westchester County to the South of here.

Some towns average 30K in yearly property taxes.
 
I hope that those who are quoting me are not expecting replies because I cannot read any of their posts.
I've got the vast majority of the board on ignore.
Sorry. Please feel free to reciprocate.
For the most part, I make declarative statements, not conversation.
 
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