Question for Dems about war
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blackascoal
The Force is With Me
None of the above.
The "surge" will have absolutely ZERO impact on the future of Iraq and frankly doesn't even deserve mention in a discussion about Iraq's future or what will or won't spread to other countries. The surge is desperation by/ the Bushistas to create yet another illusion .. that not many people are buying .. including republicans.
Iraq is a quagmire.
America will never been seen as "victorious" in Iraq.
And terrorism cannot be defeated by war. If we want to stop terrorism .. we should stop using it.
We've empowered Iran beyond their wildest dreams and Iran will have more influence and power in Iraq than the US who will still be hated by the Iraqi people.
Democrats will win the presidency in '08 .. which will have ZERO to do with the surge, and everything to do with the mindlessly miserable failure of the right.
That's my choice.
its a tough call for a dem i know. and why most wont answer. I think most know they won in 06 on the war negativity and there is nothing wrong with winning on an opportunistic platform.
most probably wouldn't put there desire to put party in office ahead of Americas success. But there probably are some.
most probably wouldn't put there desire to put party in office ahead of Americas success. But there probably are some.
bob
a member named bob
well, just a opinion... answer b dosnt guarantee a republicain win in '08... nor dose a guarantee the dems a win in '08
bob
a member named bob
well i dissagree with you about iran... we .. america took bagdad in a matter of months, witch iran tried to do for 8 years and were unsucsessfull, if anything i think it put iran on their heals. scince the invation in 2003 the seem to be rather desprate.
Blackflag
Junior Member
That is honestly the dumbest question I've ever seen.
Iraq will never be even moderately stable without either a heavy US presence or another brutal dictator to beat it into submission.
We will never leave. I've been there/done that but tell your great grandkids to send pictures.
Iraq will never be even moderately stable without either a heavy US presence or another brutal dictator to beat it into submission.
We will never leave. I've been there/done that but tell your great grandkids to send pictures.
LOL
Sorry to laugh, but that's funny. I know you mean to be realistic, but the repubs winning is out of the question.
Annie
Not So Junior Member
So will whoever the Democratic winner is, will they pull the US out of Iraq totally?
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Any idiot should have known that if Iran is basically a Shite nation and the majority of Iraqis are also Shite, that invading Iraq and removing Saddam would hand Iraq to Iran .. which is exactly what's happened.
Since the invasion, Iran has become more powerful in the region then they have ever been or would have ever been without ignorant misguided US intervention.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
They won't have a choice and for that matter neither would any republican.
The Iraqis do not want any US presence on their soil and we cannot continue feeding the war US bodies and billions in US dollars for ever.
In spite of all the rhetoric about the US staying in Iraq for many years, the question is HOW?
The US military is already broken and they're scrambling like hell trying to find recruits .. paying them tens of thousands of dollars just to join up and they still don't meet the numbers they want.
There is a finite time for the US in Iraq no matter what some may say.
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Annie
Not So Junior Member
There is a plan for bringing home significant numbers, but we are not going to be gone from there for quite awhile. The Iraqi government has requested such and we're not about to let Iran move in.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Every faction in Iraq except the puppet governmentt wants the US out of their country and we don't have the power to keep Iran out of Iraq .. look no further than the cooperation Iraq is SEEKING from Iran.
Every nation on earth recognizes Iran's new influence within Iraq .. including the Iraqi President .. and Bush.
Iraqi president seeks Iran's help
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6188348.stm
Additionally, leaving a reduced US force in Iraq puts those forces at great risk and vulnerable to attack.
The reality is that the US cannot impose its will on earth and does not have the forces or money to sustain this terrible misadventure forever.
AND, we've driven the Iranians and Iraqis right into the hands of the SCO, and alliance of Russia, China, and other nations opposed to US global imperialism.
Annie
Not So Junior Member
Really? Not what I've been seeing by Iraqi bloggers, those journalists that are on the ground in Iraq. The people recognize how far the country has fallen, they have hope and want the improvements to continue.
Today in Chicago the police department is in need of serious overhaul, so much corruption and wrongdoing. It will take years for the morale to be sufficient to say it could be called a good police force, needless to say, they will have trouble recruiting good candidates.
Not so in Iraq, everyone wants to join, it's not only prestigious, while very dangerous, they know it's for the country.
As I've said numerous times, I'm no longer sure that this was a good idea, but it's done. I know it wasn't well executed for years, which the administration will pay for in history. Today however, it's going the right way, the way it should have from the beginning. To say, "I'm not believing any of this is not only disingenuous, it's just not right, for our military or the Iraqi people.
charver
You lookin' at my pint?
The difference may become apparent when the applicants to the two forces are examined.
I'm not an expert on American law and order, although i have seen the series once or twice, but i'd guess that there isn't a concerted effort on the part of well supported religious-based militia groups to infiltrate the Chicago police force. Then again who knows?
What could possibly go wrong with a policy of actively arming the very people who you've been locking up the previous month? The Sunni extremists in Baghdad have been armed by the US military and told to "patrol your own areas". That's fine as long as a huge contingent of US military is there enforcing some kind of stalemate but you're intent on buggering off as quick as possible.
Ideal solution?
Probably some kind of regional strong-man to act as a bulwark against Iranian Shia theocracy. He'd need to be a Sunni and, preferably, somewhat secular.
Who'd fit that bill, eh?
Annie
Not So Junior Member
Not quite along religious lines, but ideology and 'clean v dirty', yeah, there have been and could be killings.
charver
You lookin' at my pint?
I may have misunderstood this, as cold drinks have been taken, but you're not seriously contrasting the Chicago police department with the Iraqi equivalent are you?
If not i'll happily apologise for casting such aspersions.