StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
If banning guns is pointless because people can just get guns on the black market, is banning abortion also pointless?
Question for our gun enthusiast friends.
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Teflon Don
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Banning guns is not pointless because people can obtain guns illegally, THEY DO THAT ALREADY......they are called felons who do not have the right to access this tool, just like a thief does not have a right to carry a set of lock pick tools on his person. Banning guns is pointless because its a guaranteed Constitutional right in this constitutional republic. The better false premise would be why not ban the tool called an automobile that kills more humans each year than the evil gun....and some of these deaths are classified as homicides. What's the difference....both are tools, inanimate objects that has to be activated and controlled by a human mind. If you are going to give a tool the traits of a personality why not give these same traits to an automobile?
Another inconvenient fact? Do you know how many lawful gun owners KILL PEOPLE with guns each year? And out of all those gun deaths the great majority (added to some left wing stats) are the result of self inflicted deaths via guns.
As far as abortion goes.....since when is it acceptable to compare the taking of a life on demand through aborting that life before gestation is complete with a Constitutional Right that is actually spelled out in a verbatim manner? Just show us the portion of the constitution that addresses the right of a female to abort her child. (its not there, that's what scares the shit of these death dealers.....it came about via court legislation not represented legislation.....and it can be reversed via the same manner....the sound of a judges gavel)
It does not exist, therefore according to the 10th article found in the States Bill of Rights..i.e., the 10th amendment......that decision can be addressed by the citizens of each state as the language not found in the constitution belongs to THE PEOPLE/STATES.
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ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
Banning abortion is also unconstitutional.
I guess we will see.
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
Yes, maybe so. I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that the SCt. will deny certiorari and let the appeals court(s)' ruling that GA and AL's new laws are unconstitutional stand.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Not the point. If people can obtain guns illegally, that means they can also get abortions illegally, correct?
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Does it really matter? The government can just ignore that piece of paper if they want.
Until its not....via the same method, OPINION. Anything that can become law via the sound of a Judges gavel can be rescinded in the same manner, as these opinions are not acts of legislated law that were represented into existence. Lefts see where SCIENCE and DNA takes us along the facts of determining when human life actually begins instead of basing an opinion upon some draconian antiquated decision made during a time when that technology did not exist. Hint. DNA is used everyday in the courtrooms across America to determine CHILD SUPPORT parental declarations Often this science is used before birth to establish parenthood. Now its time for SCIENCE to take the stand in defense of life....not emotion.
Question? Just why do the courts decide to charge anyone that kills a pregnant female with 2 deaths? Just a simple hypothetical question to ponder.StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Because Americans don't understand science.
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
Until its not....via the same method, OPINION. Anything that can become law via the sound of a Judges gavel can be rescinded in the same manner, as these opinions are not acts of legislated law that were represented into existence. Lefts see where SCIENCE and DNA takes us along the facts of determining when human life actually begins instead of basing an opinion upon some draconian antiquated decision made during a time when that technology did not exist. Hint. DNA is used everyday in the courtrooms across America to determine CHILD SUPPORT parental declarations Often this science is used before birth to establish parenthood. Now its time for SCIENCE to take the stand in defense of life....not emotion.
Good argument, let's use it on guns and see how you gunhumping idiots like that, eh?
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
Well, many of us do, but we are not elected ppl deciding life and death shit based on a 5000-yo collection of goat-herder myths.
Excellent article. I'll link to it after the quote.
" .... the issue is what that “heartbeat” actually is. “At six weeks, the embryo is forming what will eventually develop into mature systems. There’s an immature neurological system, and there’s a very immature cardiovascular system,” says Jennifer Kerns, an ob-gyn at UC San Francisco and director of research in obstetrics and gynecology at Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital. The rhythm specified in the six-week abortion bans, she says, “is a group of cells with electrical activity. That’s what the heartbeat is at that stage of gestation … We are in no way talking about any kind of cardiovascular system.”"
https://www.wired.com/story/heartbeat-bills-get-the-science-of-fetal-heartbeats-all-wrong/
BTW, at this stage of development the fetus is less than half an inch long. As the article points out, the so-called "pro-life" (really, "forced-birthers") use the heartbeat to evoke emotion and give the impression that the fetus is somehow a baby at this point.
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
Exactly: DNA proves that life exists within the womb.....LEGALLY. How else can DNA establish pre-birth parenthood in order to demand CHILD SUPPORT? Some people just don't understand SCIENCE and how its actually applied to reality.
Another question? If life does not exist before birth within the same species. Why does the endangered species act of the same year as Roe. v. Wade make it a crime to destroy UNBORN life of certain species? Its a shame that science does not apply to human life the way its applied to animal life. Example: Its a federal crime to destroy the eggs (the unborn) in certain species of birds......one can face fine and or imprisonment under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act 16 U.S.C 73. Just what type of common sense declares in one act that LIFE does indeed exist before birth in the animal kingdom.....but life does not exist in humanity until the magic vagina contracts?
ITS MAGIC.A human life does not apply because a human life is not unique and endangered? Really? Name one other human on earth that has the exact same DNA signature of any unborn human child on earth? One example. An unborn child has its own DNA SIGNATURE.....just like the unborn bird does.
I simply can't wait for this to go to SCOTUS. SCIENCE will defeat the emotion of hate every time.
StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
DNA proves that there is material which can eventually become a human life. It's the same thing with sperm. Sperm has human DNA, but would you say sperm should count as human life? If so, every ejaculation is mass murder.
Why does legislation exist that contradicts your lack of logic and applied science? Ever read the endangered species act of 1973? The same year SCOTUS decided different than legislation in Roe v. Wade? Why is it a crime to kill UNBORN examples within the same species as identified by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act 16 U.S. 703? Why is it a crime to kill unborn animal life.....but acceptable to kill unborn human life?
Another question? If that material is not alive.....why the need to KILL IT and stop its growth and development? (if its not alive then its perfectly acceptable to go break a dozen or so bald eagle eggs for breakfast....after all you are the superior lifeform...no?"
If its not human life....simply leave it alone and nothing will happen. Actually DNA exists when the first cell exists. DNA is a signature of human life a Scientific Marker that is totally unique to only one human on earth...that life from which it was drawn from. Even at conception when the egg meets the sperm and connects both parents DNA to form one new DNA totally unique from either parent...50% inclusive of either parent that is a human life in a stage of development. Prove that its not. Just go knock up some slut and see how far you get in court when your DNA is compared to that within her womb....see if you are legally required to pay child support.
One more question? When does a human life stop gestating and is not longer in need of parental protection? Legally.....developmental growth continues until the age of 18. Things that make you go hummmmmmm? Its ok to kill that life in a state of development before it exists the magical vagina, but it illegal to kill that still gestating growing human and the rule of law requires protection and responsible oversight for 18 more years of child development.
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StoneByStone
It's OK to Be White
Isn't that for endangered species?
Like I said, it's material that can eventually become human life. It's not alive, doctors don't KILL IT, they just remove the clump of cells before it becomes alive. And the same thing goes for sperm. Do you think sperm is human life too?
And being endangered changes SCIENCE? Really? As you said...….just present your SCIENCE that declares that DNA markers do not define human life to be totally unique to only one human. If that's not endangered enough for you......why kill the only example of that life that will ever exist? And claim you have the right to end that totally unique bloodline?