Question that could change my opinion on Universal Healthcare

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Chapdog

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So there is a difference in salary for some jobs of people with and without benefits.

Will I get an automatic raise so that it becomes a wash for me in taxes if National Health care is put in place since it will cost the company less to employ me?

Or would i just have increased taxes, the same income level.. and it become another corporate welfare situation?
 
well my thinking is that i accepted a job based on the salary and benefits. if they suddenly reduce the benefits wouldn't that be like a pay cut for the corporations? sort of like a corporate welfare based on a law change?
 
Chapdog said:
well my thinking is that i accepted a job based on the salary and benefits. if they suddenly reduce the benefits wouldn't that be like a pay cut for the corporations? sort of like a corporate welfare based on a law change?
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Nah... they'll just tax you, tax the company, provide nice long waits at the doctors and of course do nothing about the actual COSTS of healthcare.
 
Chapdog said:
no details anywhere. its just this giant blanket idea. no due diligence that i have seen.
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Of course not. The politicians know all that they need to do is harp on the big picture ideas and concepts... they don't have to provide the details on how it would actually work. Too many gullible people in both parties continue falling for this crap.
 
Chapdog said:
no details anywhere. its just this giant blanket idea. no due diligence that i have seen.
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That's my biggest problem with it.

If they came out with an honest assessment of its cost and a plan to pay for it by cutting spending in other areas then I wouldn't care so much.

But neither of those things have happened or seem likely to.
 
its always fun to watch a 200,000 dollar a year homeowner and family complain about these things.

i particuarly love how he complains about a 2.00 toll on the mass pike.... it is really funny
 
Chapdog said:
So there is a difference in salary for some jobs of people with and without benefits.

Will I get an automatic raise so that it becomes a wash for me in taxes if National Health care is put in place since it will cost the company less to employ me?

Or would i just have increased taxes, the same income level.. and it become another corporate welfare situation?
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Why not just look to another country that has it?
Your purchasing power would go down because you would be hit with thousands more in taxes, while companies also would be hit with thousands more in taxes and would not have any more leverage to grant you anything.
There's a reason why Canadian nurses and doctors move to America and it's not because they expect it to "equal out".

The Democrats plan does NOTHING to control costs, it is only looking at COVERAGE (ie: control), so expect costs there to do nothing but go up by still higher amounts.
 
Robdawg said:
its always fun to watch a 200,000 dollar a year homeowner and family complain about these things.

i particuarly love how he complains about a 2.00 toll on the mass pike.... it is really funny
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yah i should not complain about reduction in pay or increase in taxes because im just SO well off its simply doesn't even matter.
 
Chapdog said:
yah i should not complain about reduction in pay or increase in taxes because im just SO well off its simply doesn't even matter.
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I think you should and are doing the right thing in complaining. Part of the reason we have such a large government that took over responsibilities is because too many people said "We are a wealthy society and no one should go without ____" and then government did that.
 
Connecticut Stud said:
your saying your not well off?
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doesn't feel like it. Yah i save for retirement and am paying a 15year loan on my home so i can finish early.. but besides that im driving a $230 a month lease car clipping coupons for groceries, and generally don't have anything left at end of the month. So yes a couple extra thousand per year hurts.
 
TheDanold said:
Why not just look to another country that has it?
Your purchasing power would go down because you would be hit with thousands more in taxes, while companies also would be hit with thousands more in taxes and would not have any more leverage to grant you anything.
There's a reason why Canadian nurses and doctors move to America and it's not because they expect it to "equal out".

The Democrats plan does NOTHING to control costs, it is only looking at COVERAGE (ie: control), so expect costs there to do nothing but go up by still higher amounts.
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We have it in Australia but unlike Canada we have a two-tier system where you can buy extra health insurance (it's not usually part of a benefits package in employment here) if you want extras. We have about a 1.5% tax contribution rate which is factored in when you file your annual tax return.

So, the situation is that our health system is funded by the federal government and the state governments. We pay that 1.5% Medicare Levy. It's not a huge impost. Our federal government has been trying to force the states to bear more of the health care costs but that's because the feds are trying to run surpluses so they can bribe us with tax cuts but then take the money back with bracket creep, we're awake to that and we're going to throw them out in November at the next federal election. We want a good health system, we want the government to fund it properly. We value the fact that people who are on pensions, unemployment, other low income persons, can get very good health care at no cost. That's the situation here. I think Canada should allow a two-tiered system as well.
 
Diuretic said:
We have it in Australia but unlike Canada we have a two-tier system where you can buy extra health insurance (it's not usually part of a benefits package in employment here) if you want extras. We have about a 1.5% tax contribution rate which is factored in when you file your annual tax return.

So, the situation is that our health system is funded by the federal government and the state governments. We pay that 1.5% Medicare Levy. It's not a huge impost. Our federal government has been trying to force the states to bear more of the health care costs but that's because the feds are trying to run surpluses so they can bribe us with tax cuts but then take the money back with bracket creep, we're awake to that and we're going to throw them out in November at the next federal election. We want a good health system, we want the government to fund it properly. We value the fact that people who are on pensions, unemployment, other low income persons, can get very good health care at no cost. That's the situation here. I think Canada should allow a two-tiered system as well.
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This just illustrates a problem with state funded healthcare in that the system's health depends on political squabbles rather than individual free choice.

The Conservative Party pushed to end bracket creep in Canada, do you really think that Labor would do it in Australia? It's always been a right-wing party's idea to do that. And your position is silly on tax cuts, you have giant surpluses, that MEANS you are overtaxed. Taxes should and are fine to be cut bigtime.

I know you guys are tired of Howard but he has brought incredible growth and a big reason IS tax cuts. Another big reason is because The Liberal (there Conservative) Party embarked on free trade, which Labor rejected en masse and it's because of free trade and China's boom that the mining industry in Australia is so booming. It's unfortunate that younger generations there are not old enough to remember what he brought Australia from and just how much better off you are now.

Rudd is just going to spend away what good Conservative government left him.

You may want to read this to get more understanding of what I'm speaking about:
http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10000913
 
Chapdog said:
So there is a difference in salary for some jobs of people with and without benefits.

Will I get an automatic raise so that it becomes a wash for me in taxes if National Health care is put in place since it will cost the company less to employ me?

Or would i just have increased taxes, the same income level.. and it become another corporate welfare situation?
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Up to the company, but I expect that your pay and such will stay the same.
 
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