Reality: Homosexual Marriage

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SM made a comment about reality that prompted this thread.....

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what is it? a country that doesn't accept homosexual marriage, but does accept britney spears and other 24 hour 'vegas' marriages that have nothing to do with religion or the historical meaning of marriage.

yet, in SM's reality, homosexuals, despite their sexual activitiy being legal, they do not deserve the same "right" as those who marry the opposite sex. doesn't matter whether they do so for god, elvis, or satan....so long as they are man and woman, this is SM's reality of marriage.

imho SM....the reality is....homosexual acts are not illegal, thus, denying homosexuals who want to marry and enjoy the same benefits you have (granted by the government) vis a vis marriage, is unconstitutional. if their acts are not illegal, then why should their marriage be illegal?

yes, this has been discussed ad nauseum...however, it is a factor in today's world in and today's politics. many will not vote for republicans based on this factor alone. why stick to such a silly stance when we face an uber spender like obama? fiscal conservatism....is the base of the republican party....less government, iow....not government in your bedroom...

why make this an issue?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
you're the one who started the thread....

but let's talk about reality....homosexuality is abnormal.....why pretend it isn't?......
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How does one define normal? Is it what the majority do? Do you really want to reserve gov't benefits for only those who do what the majority do?
 
Southern Man said:
This!
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Then let me repeat my question.

"How does one define normal? Is it what the majority do? Do you really want to reserve gov't benefits for only those who do what the majority do?"



Since you seem to like to quote or refer to the Founding Fathers, remember that at no time during the Revolutionary War was the majority in favor of independence.

Also, to define normal (or natural), you would use studies of our species and others. There has been ample evidence presented that homosexual behavior is present in many other species and has been a part of our species since the beginning of recorded history. It may not be the majority, but it is certainly a normal part of human history.
 
Most of us have already ascertained that SM isn't about freedom and rights as much as he says he is. He's a right wing authoritarian that feels that only certain people should have rights.
 
The government shouldn't provide benefits to anyone who's not their employee or retired from service, married or not.
 
Southern Man said:
The government shouldn't provide benefits to anyone who's not their employee or retired from service, married or not.
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So you are now advocating rejecting ALL the benefits that the gov't bestows on married couples?
 
Southern Man said:
Yet you are unable to prove your baseless allegation. Slander.
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everything that I, or any other on here, have made allegations about, you have proven yourself. waterboarding is torture, despite your claim otherwise. I have the right to a private phone call with any personal friend in pakistan, despite your belief that pakistan harbors terrorists. It does, but that's beside the point.

there have been absolutely no baseless allegations when it comes to your desire to infringe on the rights of others you don't agree with.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
you're the one who started the thread....

but let's talk about reality....homosexuality is abnormal.....why pretend it isn't?......
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Who cares? So is skydiving, but they can get married. So is BDSM, but it's perfectly okay so long as they are hetero to go right on ahead. So is being a NASCAR Driver, but they can get married. So is going on TV to marry some stranger because you want to "Marry a Millionaire" but that was perfectly okay...

Other "abnormalities" that seem okay with all the people upset with homosexual marriage include:

Albino
Successful Screen Actresses
Pop Star Divas with parental issues
Drug abusers
alcoholics
Gem Stone cutters.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
everything that I, or any other on here, have made allegations about, you have proven yourself. waterboarding is torture, despite your claim otherwise. I have the right to a private phone call with any personal friend in pakistan, despite your belief that pakistan harbors terrorists. It does, but that's beside the point.

there have been absolutely no baseless allegations when it comes to your desire to infringe on the rights of others you don't agree with.
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Waterboarding isn't torture despite your claim otherwise, along with the claims by political opportunists. Since we are at war with terrorism, expect to have you phone calls with suspected terrorists monitored.
 
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Damocles said:
Who cares? So is skydiving, but they can get married. So is BDSM, but it's perfectly okay so long as they are hetero to go right on ahead. So is being a NASCAR Driver, but they can get married. So is going on TV to marry some stranger because you want to "Marry a Millionaire" but that was perfectly okay...
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You miss the point entirely. Skydivers pay wicked insurance premiums, thus take personal responsibility for their abnormal behavior. Queers shouldn't expect to be enjoy the status of marriage due to their abnormal behavior.
 
Southern Man said:
You miss the point entirely. Skydivers pay wicked insurance premiums, thus take personal responsibility for their abnormal behavior. Queers shouldn't expect to be enjoy the status of marriage due to their abnormal behavior.
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LOL. So, if they pay higher premiums for their behavior you'd be okay with them getting married? Your "bottom line" is they "must" pay more cash? Queers shouldn't expect deliberate exclusion from society for their "abnormal" behavior.

Other things that are not "normal", piloting huge metal tubes through the air, being an astronaut, a heterosexual hairdresser, being President of the United States, the Prime Minister of Canada, or the Leader of Venezuela, none of which pay "higher premiums" for the riskiness of their "behavior", yet all can get married so long as they follow SM's code of structured payments, apparently...
 
Southern Man said:
Waterboarding isn't torture despite your claim otherwise, along with the claims by political opportunists. Since we are at war with terrorism, expect to have you phone calls with suspected terrorists monitored.
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and with this, you've 'proven' our baseless allegations. You are an authoritarian willing to surrender other peoples freedoms for your idea of security.

waterboarding IS torture, always has been. redefining it for your own totalitarian purposes changes nothing except your own reality of the issue. As to the phone calls issue, you blindly accept and trust the government with that 'terrorist' list, knowing full well it has been, and will continue to be, completely loused up by incompetent government bureaucrats, as is the case with an 8 year old boy scout being on the 'no fly' list.
 
Damocles said:
LOL. So, if they pay higher premiums for their behavior you'd be okay with them getting married? Your "bottom line" is they "must" pay more cash?
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No, my argument is that they should expect to take personal responsibility for the decisions that they make in life.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
and with this, you've 'proven' our baseless allegations. You are an authoritarian willing to surrender other peoples freedoms for your idea of security.

waterboarding IS torture, always has been. redefining it for your own totalitarian purposes changes nothing except your own reality of the issue. As to the phone calls issue, you blindly accept and trust the government with that 'terrorist' list, knowing full well it has been, and will continue to be, completely loused up by incompetent government bureaucrats, as is the case with an 8 year old boy scout being on the 'no fly' list.
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Actually, what has been proven is that you are willing to continue your libel against me for nearly a year simply because your opinion is different than mine.

Just because the government exhibits incompetence in one area doesn't mean that it shouldn't fulfill its Constitutional obligations. By your logic we should have surrendered to the Germans because we delivered mail to our troops late.
 
Southern Man said:
Waterboarding isn't torture despite your claim otherwise, along with the claims by political opportunists. Since we are at war with terrorism, expect to have you phone calls with suspected terrorists monitored.
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In 1947, the US prosecuted Yukio Asano for waterboarding US soldiers during WWII. In Asano's case the subject was strapped on a stretcher that was tilted so that his feet were in the air and head near the floor, and small amounts of water were poured over his face, leaving him gasping for air until he agreed to talk. A cloth was not even put over the soldier's face. So I take it that right now you believe the US was wrong for trying Asano for war crimes? (Now watch him equivocate.)
 
In the post-Vietnam period, the Navy SEALs and some Army Special Forces used a form of waterboarding with trainees to prepare them to resist interrogation if captured. The waterboarding proved so successful in breaking their will, says one former Navy captain familiar with the practice, "they stopped using it because it hurt morale."
 
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