Reason(s) why TRUMP has his eye on Greenland

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Greenland is not a country. It's a territory administered by the Kingdom of Denmark since 1721. Only 56,000 folks
live there because there's nothing to do but make fun of polar bears.

Trump has his eye on the Greenland tundra because lying below the permafrost is lots of oil and natural gas. In
addition, other valuable minerals may be present, presenting windfall to those who can harvest it.

Trump could make a deal here with the Danes. The Danes would get a big piece of the energy harvest by giving
the USA a 99-year lease to do the heavy lifting.

Of course to protect the investment, the military would need to build a couple of bases. That would torque Putin
off, but f**k him if he can't take a geological joke. Outflanking the Russians is a huge plus for America.
 
Any lefties here still think Trump's message concerning Greenland as becoming perhaps a
useful grab both for it's supply of natural gas and oil, and for a huge land mass with military
bases on it as being a thorn in Putin's head, as being a bad move for America?
 
This seems to be mostly about not letting China/Russia control the Arctic combined with the fact that the EU/NATO are crumbling thus are not reliable.
 
Libhater said:
Trump has his eye on the Greenland tundra because lying below the permafrost is lots of oil and natural gas.
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No, it does not. Well, they might have a bit in the upper eastern corner, but that is iffy, and hard to extract.

The geologic reasons are a bit complex, but the oversimplified reason is that it is new land. The two plates are moving apart creating new land. That is land that did not exist back when life was forming oil, 100 to 200 million years ago.

But we were not sure. So Denmark spent over 50 years searching for it. They opened up drilling to ExxonMobile, Chevron, Shell, etc. For over 50 years, more than a hundred billion dollars was spent looking for oil. They found a bit here and there, but not much.

In the upper eastern corner, there appears to be a bit of a mostly Norway oil field that sticks into Greenland territory. If the most possible of the oil is in Greenland, and it has the most possible oil, it might be barely worth it to drill... BUT, there is no oil company on earth willing to take such huge risks for such tiny rewards.

Libhater said:
In addition, other valuable minerals may be present, presenting windfall to those who can harvest it.
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Greenlands value is in the other valuable minerals. Because Greenland does not have private property, if they become part of the USA, we will steal it all from them. They are not stupid, so they will fight to keep their minerals.

Libhater said:
Trump could make a deal here with the Danes. The Danes would get a big piece of the energy harvest by giving
the USA a 99-year lease to do the heavy lifting.
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Denmark already gave American oil companies 50 years of leases to search for oil, and they found almost nothing.

Libhater said:
Of course to protect the investment, the military would need to build a couple of bases.
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Before trump we already had an agreement to put as many military bases in Greenland as we wanted. I think we can all assume that is over now that trump has messed it up.

NATO has Greenland, Norway, Iceland, Finland, Sweden, Canada, Alaska, etc. Basically 60% of the Arctic Circle, and even more of the North Sea, and North Atlantic.

It was so important to former Presidents that we have this control we let Iceland into NATO even though they had no military. We got an agreement to allow nearly unlimited military bases in Greenland and Iceland. The only reason we do not have massive bases there now is cost cutting.

We are hoping that trump has not messed all this up.
Libhater said:
Outflanking the Russians is a huge plus for America.
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Once again, over 60%.... We have already done all the outflanking of Russia possible without taking actual Russian territory. What you are proposing is allowing Russia outflank us.
 
Libhater said:
Any lefties here still think Trump's message concerning Greenland as becoming perhaps a
useful grab both for it's supply of natural gas and oil, and for a huge land mass with military
bases on it as being a thorn in Putin's head, as being a bad move for America?
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There is a reason that Putin supports trump's efforts in Greenland, and it is not just because you are proposing spending a lot of money to get bases we already got for free.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
This seems to be mostly about not letting China/Russia control the Arctic combined with the fact that the EU/NATO are crumbling thus are not reliable.
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There is only one Arctic Country not in NATO, and that is Russia. America spent a lot of effort getting to this state of victory, and now trump is throwing it all away.
 
I am seeing speculation that taking Greenland is a long planned neocon project, this was not Trumps idea at all, he was sold the idea.

Generally my grapevine thinks it will work...we will get it....Europe we have largely destroyed.....they are in no position to tell us no.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
I am seeing speculation that taking Greenland is a long planned neocon project, this was not Trumps idea at all, he was sold the idea.
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The NeoCons did want to invade 5 to 10 "seedling democracies" over a 20 year period. Those "seedling democracies" would spread democracy in their region, creating a "new American century" out of the 21st century.

It is 25 years later, and only one of their wars happened; Afghanistan was not one of their planned "seedling democracies." Iraq did not go well. It is not been a terrible century so far, but I would not call it the "new American century."

I do not see Greenland as being an obvious "seedling democracy." The one pro is that it has natural resources. It does not have enough population to be able to effect/invade its neighbors. Its neighbors are already democracies, so not a region the NeoCons would want to change. And I never heard them mention it anyway.

I think the person who suggested this to trump is Putin.
 
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