Reconciliation Here We Come: Lieberman Announces Filibuster Of HCR

SmarterThanYou said:
someone tell me, does congress/senate members find themselves exempt from this mandatory health insurance?
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I seem to recall that the senate passed an amendment requiring that all congressmen and their staff would be included in the plan....don't know if it will survive reconcilliation though.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
hey, for liberals, everything is just a matter of raising taxes....
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Hey, for conservatives, everything is just a matter of cutting taxes. We're not going to cut spending to pay for it, but we're going to do it anyway! *Insert generic anti-tax garbage here*

Medicare taxes should be legislated to automatically rise or fall according to increasing cost of elderly medical expenses.
 
Watermark said:
Hey, for conservatives, everything is just a matter of cutting taxes. We're not going to cut spending to pay for it, but we're going to do it anyway!
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ah, but that's where you err......the Republicans screwed up BECAUSE they acted like liberals on spending over the last eight years....that's why they lost the support of fiscal conservatives and that's why YOU ended up in control.......
 
I HOPE REPUBLICANS FIND SOME BALLS AND FIGHT THIS GIVE AWAY TO THE POOR.
IT'S MASSIVE REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH SOLD TO YOU UNDER THE LIE OF REFORMING HEALTHCARE.
And I'm a screaming liberal.

Keep the fight going repubes, because the cap and trade scheme will surely sink the economy if the GINOURMUS welfare/I'm mean healthcare plan doesn't.
 
The cap and trade scheme has a net economic loss of slightly less than 20 billion dollar. That's less than a thousandth of the US economy. The only problem is that it's not nearly large enough.

Where conservatives say that it's "equivalent to a 15% tax raise" is where they lose credibility. If you take the entire scheme at face value - and completely and totally ignore the fact that 90% of it is refunded back to consumers - you get 200 billion dollars. A 15% flat income tax is equivalent to current SS taxes, and that raises A TRILLION dollars.

How the hell did they come up with the 15% tax figure? Logically, it would be a 3% tax raise, with 90% of that being refunded to consumers, so about a 0.3% tax would make more sense. A 0.3% is too much to ask for to save your children? God you are some insane fuckers.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
ah, but that's where you err......the Republicans screwed up BECAUSE they acted like liberals on spending over the last eight years....that's why they lost the support of fiscal conservatives and that's why YOU ended up in control.......
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Conservatives talk all the time about cutting spending. I've never seen them actually do it. That's why every time I see a conservative talking about a tax cut, the first thing I do is ask them for the specific spending cuts they plan. If their "cut spending" plan is "lowering government waste" or something else vague that doesn't give exact dollar, I automatically ignore them.
 
Watermark said:
The cap and trade scheme has a net economic loss of slightly less than 20 billion dollar. That's less than a thousandth of the US economy. The only problem is that it's not nearly large enough.

Where conservatives say that it's "equivalent to a 15% tax raise" is where they lose credibility. If you take the entire scheme at face value - and completely and totally ignore the fact that 90% of it is refunded back to consumers - you get 200 billion dollars. A 15% flat income tax is equivalent to current SS taxes, and that raises A TRILLION dollars.

How the hell did they come up with the 15% tax figure? Logically, it would be a 3% tax raise, with 90% of that being refunded to consumers, so about a 0.3% tax would make more sense. A 0.3% is too much to ask for to save your children? God you are some insane fuckers.
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Dude give me some of the crack you are smoking.
Obama is fessing up to 1 TRILLION on healthcare.
your siting thier with a straight face and saying 20billion. LOFL
I'd bet you, but alas you don't have a pot to piss in.
Because that's all you earned. PIECE
 
Watermark said:
The cap and trade scheme has a net economic loss of slightly less than 20 billion dollar. That's less than a thousandth of the US economy. The only problem is that it's not nearly large enough.

Where conservatives say that it's "equivalent to a 15% tax raise" is where they lose credibility. If you take the entire scheme at face value - and completely and totally ignore the fact that 90% of it is refunded back to consumers - you get 200 billion dollars. A 15% flat income tax is equivalent to current SS taxes, and that raises A TRILLION dollars.

How the hell did they come up with the 15% tax figure? Logically, it would be a 3% tax raise, with 90% of that being refunded to consumers, so about a 0.3% tax would make more sense. A 0.3% is too much to ask for to save your children? God you are some insane fuckers.
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grind was right when he said you were dumber than a box of rocks trying to do math.
 
TurdFerguson said:
I'd love to answer your question if I knew what it was you are asking. What do you mean by "this mandatory health insurance?"

Members of Congress, like other federal employees, get their health insurance through the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program. To my knowledge, nothing in the current bills would change that.
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The point is the mandated insurance will be for the taxpayers and they will be exempt from the effects of the law they're about to pass.

Wake the fuck up, asshole
 
Watermark said:
How did they arrive at the decision to put which brackets where?

Are you advocating just letting the elderly die? Getting rid of medicare and leaving them to the forces of nature isn't going to make society have to pay any less for their medical care. If it will eventually result in a cost that is equivalent to a 63% income tax on middle class then the cost is still going to be there whether it's paid for by their relatives or by a risk pool system.
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Another strawman. OMG you want old people to die!!
 
tinfoil said:
The point is the mandated insurance will be for the taxpayers and they will be exempt from the effects of the law they're about to pass.

Wake the fuck up, asshole
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How will members of Congress be exempted from the requirement to have insurance? I don't get it. Are you claiming that there is an exemption in either the House or Senate bill that says members of Congress are not required to have health insurance? If so, please provide some support for that. I don't believe such an exemption exists.

Of course, they will have insurance because as members of Congress they are provided insurance through the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
grind was right when he said you were dumber than a box of rocks trying to do math.
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A 15% tax takes in 1 trillion dollars.

A 200 billion dollar tax would take roughly 1/5 of that - 3%.

Since 90% is refunded back to consumbers, that's 10% total cost to taxpayers - roughly equivalent to what a 0.3% income tax would take in.

Right-wingers just make numbers up. They deserve one quick shot of an AK in the back of the head, and their families should be billed for wasting taxpayer dollars on putting their rabid dogs to sleep.
 
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Watermark said:
A 15% tax takes in 1 trillion dollars.

A 200 billion dollar tax would take roughly 1/5 of that - 3%.

Since 90% is refunded back to consumbers, that's 10% total cost to taxpayers - roughly equivalent to what a 0.3% income tax would take in.

Right-wingers just make numbers up. They deserve one quick shot of an AK in the back of the head, and their families should be billed for wasting taxpayer dollars on putting their rabid dogs to sleep.
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Little boy watermark bettter watch it or he will have someone knocking at his door ready to take him to the loony bin.
 
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