republican no healthcare for kids...

[Robdawg]

i mean no abortion either, so they probably hope they die during delivery....

i mean do they do anything for uninsured expecting parents to get prenatal care?


What republicans on this site are sayign about this...

"my dishwasher is noisy, and i got it for 200 bucks how can i make it less noisy"

dano

i hate paying mass pike tolls, and if i get insurance for free can i have a raise

200K a year chapdawg.

 

[LadyT]

That's how repugnicans roll. They want to force mothers to carry babies to term and then they could give two $hits about them when they are here.

Wahhh wahhh wahhh.......I want regulation to force them into the world.....wahhh wahhh wahh wahh....I don't want to have to harbor any responsibility in caring for them.

Its their motto.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

That's how repugnicans roll. They want to force mothers to carry babies to term and then they could give two $hits about them when they are here.

Wahhh wahhh wahhh.......I want regulation to force them into the world.....wahhh wahhh wahh wahh....I don't want to have to harbor any responsibility in caring for them.

Its their motto.

Lets compare to the Dems approach...

wahhh wahh wahhh.... I don't want to take responsibility for my actions, not in the least.... Dems don't give two shits for anything as long as they can avoid responsibility. If I get pregnant because I am too ignorant to use protection then I want to be able to choose to kill the kid or lay the expense of raising it at the doorstep of other taxpayers. Who gives a crap if I chose to have unprotected sex... that is not MY concern... its YOURS.

 

[LadyT]

Actually the abortion would be a form of taking responsibility. As is picking up the healthcare tab for the same children that you guys want to force into the world. If anything the democrats are taking on too much responsibility because of republicans fundamentally flawed idealisms.

 

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Actually the abortion would be a form of taking responsibility. As is picking up the healthcare tab for the same children that you guys want to force into the world. If anything the democrats are taking on too much responsibility because of republicans fundamentally flawed idealisms.

No, it most certainly would not be a form of taking responsibility. It is ducking away from it. Taking a human life is not taking responsibility.

Your argument is laughable at best. You blame Reps for people who are too ignorant to use condoms/pills etc, simply because the Reps value that human life? Pathetic. Typical liberal bullshit trying to shift responsibility.

Please explain how you think having someone else pay for your kids healthcare is taking personal responsibility.

It is a government handout.

Personal responsibility means you take responsibility for YOUR OWN ACTIONS... not the actions of others.

 

[Chapdog]

pubs are running a pro-choice candidate for president most likely.

A republican governor has come up with a plan to give healthcare to children whoes parents cant afford it by extra tax on individuals that can afford heathcare and choose not to get it.

seems to me your reaching.

 

[LadyT]

No, it most certainly would not be a form of taking responsibility. It is ducking away from it. Taking a human life is not taking responsibility.

Your argument is laughable at best. You blame Reps for people who are too ignorant to use condoms/pills etc, simply because the Reps value that human life? Pathetic. Typical liberal bulls*&^% trying to shift responsibility.

Please explain how you think having someone else pay for your kids healthcare is taking personal responsibility.

It is a government handout.

Personal responsibility means you take responsibility for YOUR OWN ACTIONS... not the actions of others.

Yes, if you have an unwanted pregnancy, the act itself is irresponsible. But taking responsibility for that takes the form in various ways one of which is terminating the pregnancy. And contrary to what you'd like to believe its not necessarily, the easy way out either. The rest of your argument is dishonest at best. First of all, I never blamed republicans for unwanted pregancies, I blame republicans for wanted to force people to be pregnant and carry the fetus to term despite their wishes. Its not their decision nor should it be. Secondly, you're weak rebuttle infers that democrats are the ones getting pregnant and getting aid. In a lot of the cases we are talking about the young mothers aren't even old enough to be registered to vote, so I don't understand how this comment applies, "Please explain how you think having someone else pay for your kids healthcare is taking personal responsibility." in response to my talking about how the democrats are trying to allow all children to get access to health care.

 

[LadyT]

pubs are running a pro-choice candidate for president most likely.

A republican governor has come up with a plan to give healthcare to children whoes parents cant afford it by extra tax on individuals that can afford heathcare and choose not to get it.

seems to me your reaching.

yeah well, "pubs" knocked out a measure that would have given children access to health care out on its a$$.

 

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Yes, if you have an unwanted pregnancy, the act itself is irresponsible. But taking responsibility for that takes the form in various ways one of which is terminating the pregnancy. And contrary to what you'd like to believe its not necessarily, the easy way out either. The rest of your argument is dishonest at best. First of all, I never blamed republicans for unwanted pregancies, I blame republicans for wanted to force people to be pregnant and carry the fetus to term despite their wishes. Its not their decision nor should it be. Secondly, you're weak rebuttle infers that democrats are the ones getting pregnant and getting aid. In a lot of the cases we are talking about the young mothers aren't even old enough to be registered to vote, so I don't understand how this comment applies, "Please explain how you think having someone else pay for your kids healthcare is taking personal responsibility." in response to my talking about how the democrats are trying to allow all children to get access to health care.

Again, you are saying that Reps are "forcing people to be pregnant"... they most certainly are not doing so. They are saying that if you have unprotected sex and become pregnant, then they will take every action they can to protect the life of the child. Basic human rights. Something every unique human life is entitled to. (and NO, we are not entitled to have someone else pay for our healthcare etc.... though society as a whole can choose to help you if you are truly in need)

Give me a break... you are trying to suggest now that you are talking about teen mothers and their kids? Are you saying that teens are too ignorant to understand that sex can result in a child? Also, they have access to healthcare... but asking someone else to pay for it is not taking personal responsibility.... because you are asking SOMEONE ELSE TO PAY FOR IT.

As for the easy way out... an abortion most certainly is taking the easy way out. Granted, many come to realize the mistake they made in killing the kid and later regret their decision.... but that is common when people try to find an easy way out of bad situations... many times they end up making it worse.

 

[Chapdog]

im all for pro choice. If you dont want a kid then dont have a kid. not much difference between a wasted egg or sperm or a wasted fetus. just a couple months.

In terms of healthcare. Poor people and kids should be covered with basic healthcare. I just disagree with the dems thinking on how to achieve this.

 

[LadyT]

Again, you are saying that Reps are "forcing people to be pregnant"... they most certainly are not doing so. They are saying that if you have unprotected $ex and become pregnant, then they will take every action they can to protect the life of the child.

until the child is born, at which point, sink or swim.......telling a person that they can't terminate a pregnancy is forcing them to carry the fetus to term.

Basic human rights. Something every unique human life is entitled to. (and NO, we are not entitled to have someone else pay for our healthcare etc.... though society as a whole can choose to help you if you are truly in need)

Interesting. So you support public schools (implying that every child is entitled to an education) but you don't think those same kids are entitled to health care?

Give me a break... you are trying to suggest now that you are talking about teen mothers and their kids? Are you saying that teens are too ignorant to understand that $ex can result in a child?

Where on earth would you get that from? I said no such thing.

Also, they have access to healthcare... but asking someone else to pay for it is not taking personal responsibility.... because you are asking SOMEONE ELSE TO PAY FOR IT.

No taking personal responsibility would involve making sure the same kids that you forced into this world had access to health care.

As for the easy way out... an abortion most certainly is taking the easy way out. Granted, many come to realize the mistake they made in killing the kid and later regret their decision.... but that is common when people try to find an easy way out of bad situations... many times they end up making it worse.

"Easy way out"? How many have you had?

 

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im all for pro choice. If you dont want a kid then dont have a kid. not much difference between a wasted egg or sperm or a wasted fetus. just a couple months.

In terms of healthcare. Poor people and kids should be covered with basic healthcare. I just disagree with the dems thinking on how to achieve this.

Genetically speaking you could not be more wrong. An egg and sperm are individual cells each possessing half the genetic code for a unique human life. When combined, they form a unique human. If that fertilized egg attaches to the uterus and begins to grow and develop, then the unique human created is alive. To have and abortion would put an end to that unique human life.

You can argue that an unborn child should not be entitled to basic human rights, but please don't argue that a fetus (which is simply a stage of development) is the same as an individual cell. Because that goes against basic science and is laughable. The only reason pro-abortionists call the child by its developmental stage name "fetus" is a vain attempt to relieve themselves from the guilt of having taking a human life. An attempt to dehumanize the child so that they can feel all warm and cozy about killing it.

 

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"until the child is born, at which point, sink or swim.......telling a person that they can't terminate a pregnancy is forcing them to carry the fetus to term."

Funny how you call it a child at first until you come to the part of the sentence where you want to kill the child... then suddenly you call it by a stage of its development.... "fetus". Yes, protecting the childs right to life supercedes the womans convenience. yes, it is the womans body... and it is also the childs body. Both should be entitled to be protected from murder.

"Interesting. So you support public schools (implying that every child is entitled to an education) but you don't think those same kids are entitled to health care?"

Again, this is off topic... we were talking personal responsibility. It is not being personally responsible when you ask someone else to pay for a child you created. Should we help the kids? sure... those that need it... but we should not be providing free healthcare for those that CAN afford it.


"Easy way out"? How many have you had?

Right, because unless I am capable of having kids... I should not be entitled to an opinion. Complete bullshit. Also... the ability to HAVE kids has nothing to do with thinking an abortion is the easy way out.

 

[Chapdog]

Genetically speaking you could not be more wrong. An egg and sperm are individual cells each possessing half the genetic code for a unique human life. When combined, they form a unique human. If that fertilized egg attaches to the uterus and begins to grow and develop, then the unique human created is alive. To have and abortion would put an end to that unique human life.

You can argue that an unborn child should not be entitled to basic human rights, but please don't argue that a fetus (which is simply a stage of development) is the same as an individual cell. Because that goes against basic science and is laughable. The only reason pro-abortionists call the child by its developmental stage name "fetus" is a vain attempt to relieve themselves from the guilt of having taking a human life. An attempt to dehumanize the child so that they can feel all warm and cozy about killing it.

Can also grow a kid from dna as well via cloning. I see what your saying in terms of when does human rights begin. thats for the politicians to figure out. until then if its growing in your body then in my mind it falls under your property thus has no individual rights.

 

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Can also grow a kid from dna as well via cloning. I see what your saying in terms of when does human rights begin. thats for the politicians to figure out. until then if its growing in your body then in my mind it falls under your property thus has no individual rights.

The problem I have with that Chap is that a human life can not be someone else's "property" to do with as they choose.

But you are right, the argument that we need decided is when do human rights apply? What do we use as justification for the decision?

Obviously I personally believe that human rights should begin when the fertilized egg attaches to the uterus and begins development.

 

[Chapdog]

The problem I have with that Chap is that a human life can not be someone else's "property" to do with as they choose.

But you are right, the argument that we need decided is when do human rights apply? What do we use as justification for the decision?

Obviously I personally believe that human rights should begin when the fertilized egg attaches to the uterus and begins development.

What about in cases of cloning or artificial wombs? My guess is many woman will be able to regularly grow there babies in a lab so it doesnt interfere with them physically in our lifetime.

IN terms of cloning.. when would u think that life begins?


Not trying to be a wise guy here but this decision needs to take into consideration future technology.

 

[TheDanold]

i mean no abortion either, so they probably hope they die during delivery....

i mean do they do anything for uninsured expecting parents to get prenatal care?


What republicans on this site are sayign about this...

"my dishwasher is noisy, and i got it for 200 bucks how can i make it less noisy"

dano

i hate paying mass pike tolls, and if i get insurance for free can i have a raise

200K a year chapdawg.

Maybe I should be a trailer Dem and take money off your check for my social welfare housing or drug addiction. Sorry your vacation will have to wait Rob, trailer Dem Dano needs your money and will take it like it or not. After all, you're rich, you don't really need a vacation.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

What about in cases of cloning or artificial wombs? My guess is many woman will be able to regularly grow there babies in a lab so it doesnt interfere with them physically in our lifetime.

IN terms of cloning.. when would u think that life begins?


Not trying to be a wise guy here but this decision needs to take into consideration future technology.

No problem, I think they are legitimate questions. The following are simply my opinions...

1) Artificial wombs.... all for it, because then we would not have an issue with a womans rights conflicting with the childs rights.

2) Cloning... very complex issue... if we are cloning individual organs I have no problem with that. I do not see the need to clone a human. That doesn't mean there isn't a legitimate argument to do so.... it just means I cannot think of one. So I will leave a bit of wiggle room here in case someone states one that makes sense.

As far as when life begins with cloning, that is fairly simple genetically speaking (assuming of course they create the technology to keep the fertilized egg growing and developing). The unique life begins when the fertilized egg begins to grow and develop. It is a unique human the moment the sperm cell and egg cell combine... once it begins development, then it would be considered alive. In the case of cloning this would essentially be as soon as them implant the fertilized egg in the artificial womb.