Ron Paul is anti abortion?
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blackascoal
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The ONLY US Congressperson to get a 100% approval rating from the John Birch Society .. a "social liberal" ???
He's a long ass way from being "liberal" anything
DigitalDave
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This is one stance I am with Paul on. It needs to be left up to the states, and I am also against abortion.
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Sometimes I think we should just overturn Roe vs. Wade so that the cons will stop whining constnatly like little babies.
But I'm convinced that it would take about 5 years after that for them to force their ignorance on the mothers.
A state has no more right to infringe on individual liberty than a federal government. For christsake, who cares about states rights? What good has it ever done? The people concentrated in a small area are much more likely to be radical, than an entire congress of people of varying opinions from all over the US who are unlikely ever to agree on anything but important issues.
It's much easier to practice oppression from a state than from the nation.
But I'm convinced that it would take about 5 years after that for them to force their ignorance on the mothers.
A state has no more right to infringe on individual liberty than a federal government. For christsake, who cares about states rights? What good has it ever done? The people concentrated in a small area are much more likely to be radical, than an entire congress of people of varying opinions from all over the US who are unlikely ever to agree on anything but important issues.
It's much easier to practice oppression from a state than from the nation.
your mom's much easier!
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True, easier than them all.
I agree, especially the first part. I have the same back and forth on that, first I think, screw them, let them do it. But then I worry about women in more conservative states...it would take about five years, maybe less.
Epicurus
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I don't trust conservatives to sit idly around once Roe falls.
They will move for a universal ban once the right is removed. It could pass, so I understand liberal reluctance in overturning Roe.
But the ONLY claim to superiority I can find for Roe over a national abortion ban is that it came earlier. I can't find the power enumerated in the Constitution to universally protect or universally ban abortions, which means it falls to the states.
They will move for a universal ban once the right is removed. It could pass, so I understand liberal reluctance in overturning Roe.
But the ONLY claim to superiority I can find for Roe over a national abortion ban is that it came earlier. I can't find the power enumerated in the Constitution to universally protect or universally ban abortions, which means it falls to the states.
Epicurus
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Women here are probably more anti-abortion than men.
All the clinic protestors I see are women.
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Mississippi has, for all practical pusposes, banned abortion. In a state where no one talks about anything but free enterprise they've put so many restrictions on the abortion business that it's simply impossible to run one while staying afloat. We have one still open, in Jackson. Most people just head to New Orleans or Memphis.
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You don't believe in a right to privacy?
I know, I saw an incredible documentary on that.
Epicurus
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It's not provided for expressly by the Constitution but I don't wanna get into all that right now.
I have no problem leaving Roe up, and little problem taking it down. I would be more concerned about the loss of a foundation for the right to privacy than I would about losing a questionable 'right to abortion'.
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...which would be included in a right to privacy.
The only way that you could argue that it was lawful to infringe on a womens right to privacy in personal matters in the form of an abortion would be that either the abortion were harmful, or that it were murder. If Roe's struck down I can see it being done in such a way as to ban the entire practice of abortion, rather than to leave it up to the states.
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I don't know why no one's sued about it yet. It's clearly their backdoor way of banning abortion. According to several supreme court rulings, it's not only the wording, but the meaning behind the wording, that matters in a law. If a state passed an otherwise constitutional bill that had no other purpose than to indirectly prevent a constitutional action, it would be unconstitutional.
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I came up with that from the opinion of the supreme court on one case. The Supreme court ruled the grandfather clause unconstitutional in 1914 as an extension of banning blacks from voting. So the state of Oklahoma (or some other state around there) immediately passed a law that stated that in 12 days anyone who hadn't registered to vote would be permanently disfranchised. Of course, 99% of the black people in the state had no way of knowing this, as they had no news sources, so the practical effect of this law was that blacks still couldn't vote. The law withstood many legal challenges on it's technical legality, but finally, about 20 years later, it was struck down by the reasoning I mentioned above.
Pretty sad that it took almost 100 years after the 15th ammendment was passed for most blacks to be able to reasonably be expected to have the right to vote.
I came up with that from the opinion of the supreme court on one case. The Supreme court ruled the grandfather clause unconstitutional in 1914 as an extension of banning blacks from voting. So the state of Oklahoma (or some other state around there) immediately passed a law that stated that in 12 days anyone who hadn't registered to vote would be permanently disfranchised. Of course, 99% of the black people in the state had no way of knowing this, as they had no news sources, so the practical effect of this law was that blacks still couldn't vote. The law withstood many legal challenges on it's technical legality, but finally, about 20 years later, it was struck down by the reasoning I mentioned above.
Pretty sad that it took almost 100 years after the 15th ammendment was passed for most blacks to be able to reasonably be expected to have the right to vote.