Russia needs 5 million troops for Ukraine victory

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According to Ukraine's armed forces, Russia's military is circulating a document called "Conclusions of the war with NATO in Ukraine," which declares that 5 million Russian troops must be deployed in order for Russia to win, Ukrayinska Pravda reports.

During a briefing, deputy head of the Main Operative Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Oleksii Hromov, said that the document says the main problems of the Russian occupying forces are "the commanders’ inability to command troops, low level of discipline and military training, obsolescence of armament and military equipment, commanders’ inability to make decisions without obligatorily coordinating them with higher command etc."

"Meanwhile it is stated in every document that the Defence Forces of Ukraine have a quite high level of equipment, and commanders on all levels can make decisions in combat conditions themselves," Hromov said. "It is also stated in the document that there has not been such a war in the previous 80 years, and Russia needs its army to consist of nearly 5 million troops in order to win."

https://news.yahoo.com/russia-tells-troops-must-5-170422143.html
 
SCOTT RITTER: DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE. UKRAINE CAN’T WIN THIS WAR.
BY DIMITRI LASCARIS
NOVEMBER 15, 2022

Now, these are words that I’m not using. I mean, people are going, well, Ritter, yeah, you’re very good at Kremlin talking points. I’d advise people to go back and actually read the amendments put by the United States House of Representatives on Department of Defense Appropriations legislation from 2015 up until just this year. They continuously forbid funds, US taxpayer funds, being used to train the Azov battalion, which is listed by the US Congress as a white supremacist neo-Nazi organization. So anybody who wants to pretend that there isn’t a Nazi problem in Ukraine, simply I refer you to Congress and its own legislation.

https://therealnews.com/scott-ritter-dont-believe-the-hype-ukraine-cant-win-this-war
 
goat said:
SCOTT RITTER: DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE. UKRAINE CAN’T WIN THIS WAR.
BY DIMITRI LASCARIS
NOVEMBER 15, 2022

Now, these are words that I’m not using. I mean, people are going, well, Ritter, yeah, you’re very good at Kremlin talking points. I’d advise people to go back and actually read the amendments put by the United States House of Representatives on Department of Defense Appropriations legislation from 2015 up until just this year. They continuously forbid funds, US taxpayer funds, being used to train the Azov battalion, which is listed by the US Congress as a white supremacist neo-Nazi organization. So anybody who wants to pretend that there isn’t a Nazi problem in Ukraine, simply I refer you to Congress and its own legislation.

https://therealnews.com/scott-ritter-dont-believe-the-hype-ukraine-cant-win-this-war
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Russia needs 5 million troops, which is an impossibility. They just about admit they cannot win this war without them
 
goat said:
SCOTT RITTER: DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE. UKRAINE CAN’T WIN THIS WAR.
BY DIMITRI LASCARIS
NOVEMBER 15, 2022

Now, these are words that I’m not using. I mean, people are going, well, Ritter, yeah, you’re very good at Kremlin talking points. I’d advise people to go back and actually read the amendments put by the United States House of Representatives on Department of Defense Appropriations legislation from 2015 up until just this year. They continuously forbid funds, US taxpayer funds, being used to train the Azov battalion, which is listed by the US Congress as a white supremacist neo-Nazi organization. So anybody who wants to pretend that there isn’t a Nazi problem in Ukraine, simply I refer you to Congress and its own legislation.

https://therealnews.com/scott-ritter-dont-believe-the-hype-ukraine-cant-win-this-war
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” The surrender could be a sign of things to come as Ukraine’s eastern counteroffensive barrels into its third month, and the Russian army shoves more unready draftees to the front in a desperate—and so far failing—bid to slow the Ukrainians.
It doesn’t appear the deepening winter is going to help the Russians, either.

A video that circulated online on Sunday depicts at least 21 middle-age Russian draftees—presumably some of the roughly 300,000 men the Kremlin forced into military service starting in September—after they surrendered on the previous Monday. “The command is giving up,” one draftee says, his hands bound. Their officers “threw them out to the slaughter.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...russian-draftees-surrendered/?sh=98cd2ef37f77
 
Phantasmal said:
” The surrender could be a sign of things to come as Ukraine’s eastern counteroffensive barrels into its third month, and the Russian army shoves more unready draftees to the front in a desperate—and so far failing—bid to slow the Ukrainians.
It doesn’t appear the deepening winter is going to help the Russians, either.

A video that circulated online on Sunday depicts at least 21 middle-age Russian draftees—presumably some of the roughly 300,000 men the Kremlin forced into military service starting in September—after they surrendered on the previous Monday. “The command is giving up,” one draftee says, his hands bound. Their officers “threw them out to the slaughter.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...russian-draftees-surrendered/?sh=98cd2ef37f77
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We can do this all day. US generals are recommending diplomacy to avoid WW3. Biden was cherry-picked by the neocons to go to war with Russia. In other words, dems are continuing the neocon wars of GWB.
 
goat said:
We can do this all day. US generals are recommending diplomacy to avoid WW3. Biden was cherry-picked by the neocons to go to war with Russia. In other words, dems are continuing the neocon wars of GWB.
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More alternative facts.
 
floridafan said:
Thats BS, and you know it. They cant dress, equip and feed the troops that are now in Ukraine which is about 300,000 if even that many.
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What we know for fact is it's already winter in Ukraine and they're in the dark without water or heat.
 
Phantasmal said:
” The surrender could be a sign of things to come as Ukraine’s eastern counteroffensive barrels into its third month, and the Russian army shoves more unready draftees to the front in a desperate—and so far failing—bid to slow the Ukrainians.
It doesn’t appear the deepening winter is going to help the Russians, either.

A video that circulated online on Sunday depicts at least 21 middle-age Russian draftees—presumably some of the roughly 300,000 men the Kremlin forced into military service starting in September—after they surrendered on the previous Monday. “The command is giving up,” one draftee says, his hands bound. Their officers “threw them out to the slaughter.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...russian-draftees-surrendered/?sh=98cd2ef37f77
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If troops would help Putin's illegal war, he wouldn't need to destroy all of Ukraine's infrastructure and murder infants. I understand why not, but I would love to see Ukraine hit the missile launch sites inside of Russia. It's disgusting what is happening.

Of course, American weapons being used inside of Russia changes Putin's narrative, but at this point I think it's time for the world to recognize that he's all bluster. Just like trump.

It's time to call his nuclear bluff and end this before there is no place left that humans can exist in Ukraine.
 
goat said:
You post US government propaganda and call me a liar for pointing out that our generals oppose this proxy war with Russia.
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I posted a link to what Russian generals say about their chances of winning, but all you do is lie or change the subject, comrade.
 
floridafan said:
According to Ukraine's armed forces, Russia's military is circulating a document called "Conclusions of the war with NATO in Ukraine," which declares that 5 million Russian troops must be deployed in order for Russia to win, Ukrayinska Pravda reports.

During a briefing, deputy head of the Main Operative Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Oleksii Hromov, said that the document says the main problems of the Russian occupying forces are "the commanders’ inability to command troops, low level of discipline and military training, obsolescence of armament and military equipment, commanders’ inability to make decisions without obligatorily coordinating them with higher command etc."

"Meanwhile it is stated in every document that the Defence Forces of Ukraine have a quite high level of equipment, and commanders on all levels can make decisions in combat conditions themselves," Hromov said. "It is also stated in the document that there has not been such a war in the previous 80 years, and Russia needs its army to consist of nearly 5 million troops in order to win."

https://news.yahoo.com/russia-tells-troops-must-5-170422143.html
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commanders’ inability to make decisions without obligatorily coordinating them with higher command
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Always been the problem with their military structure
 
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