APP - Russia Threatens Military Response To U.S. Navy Drills In The Black Sea

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One might hope that after the dramatic close call June 23rd events on the Black Sea which saw a Russian patrol ship fire warning shots to deter a UK warship which came near Crimea - all of which was reportedly monitored by an overhead US reconnaissance plane (as Putin has alleged) - "cooler heads" would prevail and that the West would seek de-escalation in the waters.

But this is hoping way too much as, instead, the US Navy is calling expansive military drills on Russia's doorstep "essential" in deterring Russian "aggression". The words were issued by Commander Daniel Marzluff of the US Navy’s Sixth Fleet at a moment the large multi-nation Sea Breeze 2021 exercises are ongoing, which Moscow has deemed a serious "provocation".

This year's Sea Breeze drills are led by the US and Ukraine with military hardware made up of over 30 participant nations crowding the region in and around the Black Sea. This has prompted Russia to hold its own drills in the southwest part of the country.

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov also this week issued a further warning to foreign vessels and military aircraft to not get too close to Russian territory:

"They would be better off leaving their provocations aside next time and staying away from that area because they will get clocked in the nose," Ryabkov said.

Commander Marzluff's strong words, however, suggested anything but 'de-escalation' and avoidance of hostilities with Russia:

Commander Daniel Marzluff, the U.S. Sixth Fleet's Black Sea Region Engagement Lead, told Newsweek Tuesday that the Sea Breeze drills as "essential" in deterring Russian aggression and asserting U.S. and NATO backing for Ukraine, which remains at war with Moscow-backed separatists in the east of the country.

"This is clearly the most effective way to bring a unified front to this kind of rogue action," Marzluff told Newsweek from the Ukrainian port city of Odessa, referring to the ongoing exercises.

The US commander further called regional allies like Ukraine the US military's "greatest strategic advantage" in confronting Russia. He described additionally:

"Here in the Black Sea, we have three NATO allies that are poised and ready to respond to any type of Russian aggression."

This reference includes Romania, Bulgaria, and Turkey - while Ukraine has of late been increasingly vocal on wanting a path to full NATO membership, which Russia has declared a 'red line' that would certainly trigger major conflict.

And yet Ukraine's president Volodymyr Zelensky has continued pushing for greater Washington intervention in the region, just this week in a press conference alongside Lithuanian President Gitanas Nauseda urging greater 'help' from the United States toward ending the conflict in Eastern Ukraine.

By Zerohedge.com
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/russia-threatens-military-response-u-150000287.html
 
One might hope that after the dramatic close call June 23rd events on the Black Sea which saw a Russian patrol ship fire warning shots to deter a UK warship which came near Crimea - all of which was reportedly monitored by an overhead US reconnaissance plane (as Putin has alleged) - "cooler heads" would prevail and that the West would seek de-escalation in the waters.

But this is hoping way too much as, instead, the US Navy is calling expansive military drills on Russia's doorstep "essential" in deterring Russian "aggression". The words were issued by Commander Daniel Marzluff of the US Navy’s Sixth Fleet at a moment the large multi-nation Sea Breeze 2021 exercises are ongoing, which Moscow has deemed a serious "provocation".

This year's Sea Breeze drills are led by the US and Ukraine with military hardware made up of over 30 participant nations crowding the region in and around the Black Sea. This has prompted Russia to hold its own drills in the southwest part of the country.

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov also this week issued a further warning to foreign vessels and military aircraft to not get too close to Russian territory:

"They would be better off leaving their provocations aside next time and staying away from that area because they will get clocked in the nose," Ryabkov said.

Commander Marzluff's strong words, however, suggested anything but 'de-escalation' and avoidance of hostilities with Russia:

Commander Daniel Marzluff, the U.S. Sixth Fleet's Black Sea Region Engagement Lead, told Newsweek Tuesday that the Sea Breeze drills as "essential" in deterring Russian aggression and asserting U.S. and NATO backing for Ukraine, which remains at war with Moscow-backed separatists in the east of the country.

"This is clearly the most effective way to bring a unified front to this kind of rogue action," Marzluff told Newsweek from the Ukrainian port city of Odessa, referring to the ongoing exercises.

The US commander further called regional allies like Ukraine the US military's "greatest strategic advantage" in confronting Russia. He described additionally:

"Here in the Black Sea, we have three NATO allies that are poised and ready to respond to any type of Russian aggression."

This reference includes Romania, Bulgaria, and Turkey - while Ukraine has of late been increasingly vocal on wanting a path to full NATO membership, which Russia has declared a 'red line' that would certainly trigger major conflict.

And yet Ukraine's president Volodymyr Zelensky has continued pushing for greater Washington intervention in the region, just this week in a press conference alongside Lithuanian President Gitanas Nauseda urging greater 'help' from the United States toward ending the conflict in Eastern Ukraine.

By Zerohedge.com
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/russia-threatens-military-response-u-150000287.html

We can thank Trump for emboldening them to do so.
 
Nice excuse for the commies ... have you researched the real reasonn ???
so you want to talk actual geopolitics? are you up for that?

You are going to have to do better then "muzzies and "commies" in debate.

Short answer is NATO expansion surrounded Russia, the more involved scenario was Poroshenko threatening not to renew Russia's lease at Sevastopol - cutting off Russia Black Sea fleet.
Which is why Putin simply annexed Crimea

your turn
 
Interesting comment ... I'm curious for an explanation of same.
NATO stole Kosovo from Serbia, which is an ally of Russia. Seizing land in a war of aggression is a violation of international law.

Now Russia is stealing land from NATO's allies. This is a violation of the same law of course, but if NATO can break the law so can Russia.

Probably Putin will take opportunities in the future to seize more and more of Ukraine until he controls their entire Black Sea coast. Then he'll nip off a chunk of Moldova too.


Neither Ukraine nor Georgia are members of NATO.
They are friendly with NATO however.
 
Probably Putin will take opportunities in the future to seize more and more of Ukraine until he controls their entire Black Sea coast. Then he'll nip off a chunk of Moldova too.
no, the Crimea annexation had the approval of the Crimean Parliament and the referendum of the people.
Crimea is historic Russia. lingua franca is Russian ( dual language street signs) - it was a one and done by Putin. It was a annexation without a shot being fired.

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Little Green Men ( non insignia) from Russia roll into Crimea
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Ukraine has Odessa - Russia would have to take Kyiv if it controlled the coastline or took Odessa
Obviously that is not going to happen.

Putin is (attempting) separating Donbass of military control from Kyiv by the war.
Because Ukraine is now openly hostile to Russia and is begging to get into NATO
The Russian separatists want autonomy
That's as far as Putin is going..he had to secure his flank and access to Sevastopol naval base
 
Ukraine has Odessa - Russia would have to take Kyiv if it controlled the coastline or took Odessa
Obviously that is not going to happen.
I see no need to take Kyiv in order to take Odessa and control the coastline.


Putin is (attempting) separating Donbass of military control from Kyiv by the war.
Because Ukraine is now openly hostile to Russia and is begging to get into NATO
The Russian separatists want autonomy
That's as far as Putin is going..he had to secure his flank and access to Sevastopol naval base
Why shouldn't he go further if he sees an opportunity to do so?
 
I see no need to take Kyiv in order to take Odessa and control the coastline.
Odessa is in the western part of the coast. That would mean poaching off significant areas of Ukraine.. Crimea was a masterstroke (little green men) that didnt require a shot fires
hitting the Uk mainland would be war



Why shouldn't he go further if he sees an opportunity to do so?
because he's run up agianst western troops, unlike Crimea
 
NATO stole Kosovo from Serbia, which is an ally of Russia. Seizing land in a war of aggression is a violation of international law.

Now Russia is stealing land from NATO's allies. This is a violation of the same law of course, but if NATO can break the law so can Russia.

Probably Putin will take opportunities in the future to seize more and more of Ukraine until he controls their entire Black Sea coast. Then he'll nip off a chunk of Moldova too.

They are friendly with NATO however.

Translation: Russia good. NATO bad. :palm:
 
so you want to talk actual geopolitics? are you up for that?

You are going to have to do better then "muzzies and "commies" in debate.

Short answer is NATO expansion surrounded Russia, the more involved scenario was Poroshenko threatening not to renew Russia's lease at Sevastopol - cutting off Russia Black Sea fleet.
Which is why Putin simply annexed Crimea

your turn

NATO is a threat to Russia? I think you have it exactly backwards. NATO's existence was to counter the direct threat of Russian expansion. :palm:
 
NATO is a threat to Russia? I think you have it exactly backwards. NATO's existence was to counter the direct threat of Russian expansion.
NATO has become an offensive org, not defensive.
We are running warships in the Black Sea, we are running up on Crimean waters (restricted area)
we are expanding upto Russian borders.

What would be our reaction if Russia was doing that to us?
NATO is fine -NATO expansion is destabilizing
 
NATO has become an offensive org, not defensive.
We are running warships in the Black Sea, we are running up on Crimean waters (restricted area)
we are expanding upto Russian borders.

What would be our reaction if Russia was doing that to us?
NATO is fine -NATO expansion is destabilizing

NATO Bad. Russia Good. Got it. :thumbsup: :laugh:
 
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Hmmm ... "expansion is destabilizing" ... hmmm .... Thirteen original states are now 50 ... "expansion is destabilizing"
 
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Hmmm ... "expansion is destabilizing" ... hmmm .... Thirteen original states are now 50 ... "expansion is destabilizing"
NATO expansion isn't like manifest destiny. NATO expansion is confrontational -and the more the expansion the greater the confrontation..we are flying bombers off Russia coast, varous US warships in the Black Sea

Putin says West taking Russia's 'red lines' too lightly
https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-says-west-not-taking-135208632.html
Kremlin said in September that NATO would overstep a Russian red line if it expanded its military infrastructure in Ukraine, and Moscow has since accused Ukraine and NATO of destabilising behaviour, including in the Black Sea.
In the televised speech, Putin complained that Western strategic bombers carrying "very serious weapons" were flying within 20 km (12.5 miles) of Russia's borders.

"We're constantly voicing our concerns about this, talking about red lines, but we understand our partners - how shall I put it mildly - have a very superficial attitude to all our warnings and talk of red lines," Putin said. NATO - with which Moscow severed ties last month - had destroyed all mechanisms for dialogue, Putin said.
 
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