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I find this extremely disturbing. I get that she is annoyed and very uncomfortable. The activists are driving her nuts...that's their job. But to say that "if they were poor and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they'd be arrested for loitering"?

Are these the famous "san francisco values" we are always being warned about? Criminalize poverty? Because they sound an awful lot like Republican values to me, and I don't know what the big hoopla is in that case. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

I think the right wing can calm down now.

"I've had four or five months of people sitting outside my home, going into my garden in San Francisco and angering my neighbors," Pelosi said at a gathering sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor.

Pelosi added that the squatters have engaged in decidedly non-neighborly behavior like hanging their clothes from the trees; moving in sofas, chairs and other "permanent living facilities"; and, oddly, building a large Buddha on the sidewalk in front of her home. "You can just imagine my neighbors' reactions to all of this," she said. "And if they were poor, and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they'd be arrested for loitering, but because they have 'impeach Bush' across their chest, it's the First Amendment."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/10/protesters-building-large_n_67826.html
 
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. "

I almost always think that after initial optimism wanes from a new election.

I remember when Harold Ford was challenging her for the minority leader position. He was squashed like a bug; she was the 'establishment' choice.
 
Onceler said:
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. "

I almost always think that after initial optimism wanes from a new election.

I remember when Harold Ford was challenging her for the minority leader position. He was squashed like a bug; she was the 'establishment' choice.
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Yes...I guess that's why someone like Kucinich or even Paul (who I would not want to get in, but this holds for him too) would never even get close to being elected. Too many things are aligned against them. They might actually be different, and bring change.
 
"They might actually be different, and bring change"

There was a really great article in Rolling Stone a few months back about the Washington culture. In it, they said (which I believe) that to a man & woman, almost every newly elected politician goes to Washington with idealism & a real commitment to change things. Veterans on both sides of the aisle, mostly speaking anonymously, said that within 2-3 years that is absolutely dead & gone for over 90% of Congress.

They basically said voters would be horrified if they knew what really went on there, particularly with regard to money & influence.

We have a corporate government, essentially.
 
Onceler said:
"They might actually be different, and bring change"

There was a really great article in Rolling Stone a few months back about the Washington culture. In it, they said (which I believe) that to a man & woman, almost every newly elected politician goes to Washington with idealism & a real commitment to change things. Veterans on both sides of the aisle, mostly speaking anonymously, said that within 2-3 years that is absolutely dead & gone for over 90% of Congress.

They basically said voters would be horrified if they knew what really went on there, particularly with regard to money & influence.

We have a corporate government, essentially.
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QFT
 
Darla said:
I find this extremely disturbing. I get that she is annoyed and very uncomfortable. The activists are driving her nuts...that's their job. But to say that "if they were poor and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they'd be arrested for loitering"?

Are these the famous "san francisco values" we are always being warned about? Criminalize poverty? Because they sound an awful lot like Republican values to me, and I don't know what the big hoopla is in that case. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

I think the right wing can calm down now.

"I've had four or five months of people sitting outside my home, going into my garden in San Francisco and angering my neighbors," Pelosi said at a gathering sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor.

Pelosi added that the squatters have engaged in decidedly non-neighborly behavior like hanging their clothes from the trees; moving in sofas, chairs and other "permanent living facilities"; and, oddly, building a large Buddha on the sidewalk in front of her home. "You can just imagine my neighbors' reactions to all of this," she said. "And if they were poor, and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they'd be arrested for loitering, but because they have 'impeach Bush' across their chest, it's the First Amendment."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/10/protesters-building-large_n_67826.html
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This is perfect timing for the article I posted yesterday on San Francisco and the homeless in which they are saying even liberals in San Francisco are getting fed up with the homeless but to say so they must qualify themselves as Bush haters first so as to not be called heartless or a Republican.
 
cawacko said:
This is perfect timing for the article I posted yesterday on San Francisco and the homeless in which they are saying even liberals in San Francisco are getting fed up with the homeless but to say so they must qualify themselves as Bush haters first so as to not be called heartless or a Republican.
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How does a person "get fed up with the homeless"? rather than get fed up with the root causes of homelessness, and the inefficiency of local governments to handle the problem?

that is not even language that I understand. Who are these "liberals" Cawacko? This sounds like BS to me.
 
Darla said:
I find this extremely disturbing. I get that she is annoyed and very uncomfortable. The activists are driving her nuts...that's their job. But to say that "if they were poor and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they'd be arrested for loitering"?

Are these the famous "san francisco values" we are always being warned about? Criminalize poverty? Because they sound an awful lot like Republican values to me, and I don't know what the big hoopla is in that case. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

I think the right wing can calm down now.

"I've had four or five months of people sitting outside my home, going into my garden in San Francisco and angering my neighbors," Pelosi said at a gathering sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor.

Pelosi added that the squatters have engaged in decidedly non-neighborly behavior like hanging their clothes from the trees; moving in sofas, chairs and other "permanent living facilities"; and, oddly, building a large Buddha on the sidewalk in front of her home. "You can just imagine my neighbors' reactions to all of this," she said. "And if they were poor, and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they'd be arrested for loitering, but because they have 'impeach Bush' across their chest, it's the First Amendment."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/10/protesters-building-large_n_67826.html
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Wow, that is some elitist crap-ola. It goes to show that the greatest divisions in society are not left-right....but top-down; economic and social status.
 
Cypress said:
Wow, that is some elitist crap-ola. It goes to show that the greatest divisions in society are not left-right....but top-down; economic and social status.
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You got that right. The wealthy of San Francisco have far more in common with the wealthy of Dallas than they do with the poor of San Francisco. Sad, but true.
 
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