Score one for Reasonable Doubt!

Jarod

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I belive Casey Anthony is guilty, but did the State have enough evidence to meet the standard required for proving a crime?


The circumstantial evidence that they had left the door open to a reasonable doubt and if out criminal justice system is to have any integrity you have to allow that....

The jury followed the constitution.
 
i ignored this entire trial right up until the closing arguments. after getting the lame stream medias review of all the testimony and evidence, I would have voted not guilty as well. I'm impressed that the jury followed that ethos of reasonable doubt.

on a side note. It should not be a crime to lie to law enforcement if they can legally lie to you.
 
In my opinion, the prosecution lost the case by overreaching. They should have stuck with proven forensic evidence, and not tried to formulate a scenario around circumstantial evidence. Dr. Botten raised a very interesting point the other night on TV... why didn't they test the maggots found in her car for caylee's dna? That would have proven conclusively that Caylee had been in that trunk. I think they lost the case by trying to draw a picture of what happened, when there was no evidence to prove it happened that way.

I think she may have accidentally killed Caylee, or was somehow responsible directly for her death. She knew she would be convicted, so she attempted to cover up the death. Only Casey knows what happened for certain, and we will probably never know the truth... the girl seems incapable of telling the truth... she's probably a democrat.
 
I belive Casey Anthony is guilty, but did the State have enough evidence to meet the standard required for proving a crime?


The circumstantial evidence that they had left the door open to a reasonable doubt and if out criminal justice system is to have any integrity you have to allow that....

The jury followed the constitution.
What scares me is that most people don't care given the comments I've been hearing. They just want to see her fry! It scares the hell out of me. Most people don't care if you're actually innocent or guilty of a crime. They just want to send your ass to prison or hang you, they don't care about justice. They just want to punish someone.It scares the ever loving hell out of me. Good motivation to not get into trouble or get sucked up into the criminal justice system.

Do you know how many times I've heard some mouth breather say "They must be guilty or they wouldn't of charged her.". There is no presumption of innocence when there is trial by media!
 
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In my opinion, the prosecution lost the case by overreaching. They should have stuck with proven forensic evidence, and not tried to formulate a scenario around circumstantial evidence. Dr. Botten raised a very interesting point the other night on TV... why didn't they test the maggots found in her car for caylee's dna? That would have proven conclusively that Caylee had been in that trunk. I think they lost the case by trying to draw a picture of what happened, when there was no evidence to prove it happened that way.

I think she may have accidentally killed Caylee, or was somehow responsible directly for her death. She knew she would be convicted, so she attempted to cover up the death. Only Casey knows what happened for certain, and we will probably never know the truth... the girl seems incapable of telling the truth... she's probably a democrat.

LOL Only you can make this political Dixie! If you had said "She's probably a A. "A used car salesman" or B. "A politician" or C. "A Lawyer" I would have agreed with you. ;)
 
I believe she's guilty and the jury is obviously comprised of idiots. But things like this have a way of catching up with people. She'll get hers, someday.

It is the prosecution's charge to prove guilt beyond any reasonable doubt, and if I were sitting on that jury, I don't think I could have found her guilty based on that criteria, because they never proved their case. I would have had a problem not finding her guilty of aggravated manslaughter, and it surprises me the jury acquitted her of that. She is guilty of having something to do with the child's death, I believe. But on the charge of Murder One... the prosecution simply couldn't prove their case. It is very important we are CERTAIN before sending someone to their death, and while she may have been guilty of a lot of things, it wasn't proven she killed her child.

Several things bother me about this... If she actually did kill her kid and was trying to cover it up, as the prosecution claimed... why in the hell would she put the body in three trash bags and dump it in a swamp near her home, THEN call authorities in to SEARCH for her missing child? Does that make any sense at all? Why wouldn't she have found a way to dispose of the body so it would never be found? If they hadn't found the body, they couldn't have charged her at all... did she not think about that? She certainly thought of everything else.

Someone raised an interesting scenario, and I am inclined to think they are on to something with it... Chloroform is used by child pornographers to drug kids before exploiting them... Could Casey have been 'pimping' her kid, and things went bad? I really think there is something missing here, and we don't know all the information.
 
I believe she's guilty and the jury is obviously comprised of idiots. But things like this have a way of catching up with people. She'll get hers, someday.

Brent you're an idiot. You only know what you saw on TV and they feed you what they want you to think. Use your head and stop being a clueless tool.
 
It is the prosecution's charge to prove guilt beyond any reasonable doubt, and if I were sitting on that jury, I don't think I could have found her guilty based on that criteria, because they never proved their case. I would have had a problem not finding her guilty of aggravated manslaughter, and it surprises me the jury acquitted her of that. She is guilty of having something to do with the child's death, I believe. But on the charge of Murder One... the prosecution simply couldn't prove their case. It is very important we are CERTAIN before sending someone to their death, and while she may have been guilty of a lot of things, it wasn't proven she killed her child.

Several things bother me about this... If she actually did kill her kid and was trying to cover it up, as the prosecution claimed... why in the hell would she put the body in three trash bags and dump it in a swamp near her home, THEN call authorities in to SEARCH for her missing child? Does that make any sense at all? Why wouldn't she have found a way to dispose of the body so it would never be found? If they hadn't found the body, they couldn't have charged her at all... did she not think about that? She certainly thought of everything else.

Someone raised an interesting scenario, and I am inclined to think they are on to something with it... Chloroform is used by child pornographers to drug kids before exploiting them... Could Casey have been 'pimping' her kid, and things went bad? I really think there is something missing here, and we don't know all the information.

Right on Dixie!!!!

I never paid any attention to the case because the media exposure disgusted me. Guilty or not, it was neigh unto impossible for that young women to have her right to a fair trial. Irresponsible tabloid journalism at its worst!
 
I believe she's guilty and the jury is obviously comprised of idiots. But things like this have a way of catching up with people. She'll get hers, someday.

did you watch the whole trial? did you see all the evidence that the jury did? or are you just pissed because they didn't decide to fry her like you wanted?
 
It is the prosecution's charge to prove guilt beyond any reasonable doubt, and if I were sitting on that jury, I don't think I could have found her guilty based on that criteria, because they never proved their case. I would have had a problem not finding her guilty of aggravated manslaughter, and it surprises me the jury acquitted her of that. She is guilty of having something to do with the child's death, I believe. But on the charge of Murder One... the prosecution simply couldn't prove their case. It is very important we are CERTAIN before sending someone to their death, and while she may have been guilty of a lot of things, it wasn't proven she killed her child.

Several things bother me about this... If she actually did kill her kid and was trying to cover it up, as the prosecution claimed... why in the hell would she put the body in three trash bags and dump it in a swamp near her home, THEN call authorities in to SEARCH for her missing child? Does that make any sense at all? Why wouldn't she have found a way to dispose of the body so it would never be found? If they hadn't found the body, they couldn't have charged her at all... did she not think about that? She certainly thought of everything else.

Someone raised an interesting scenario, and I am inclined to think they are on to something with it... Chloroform is used by child pornographers to drug kids before exploiting them... Could Casey have been 'pimping' her kid, and things went bad? I really think there is something missing here, and we don't know all the information.

Dixie, are you awaire that the burden of proof for Aggravated Manslaughter is the same as the Burden of Proof for Murder One? The elements are different but the burden is the same. If you are awaire of that, what makes you belive that they met the burden for Manslaughter and not Murder One?

It seems to me they failed to prove anything other than the womans child died, the woman behaved strangely afterward, the woman failed to report her daughter missing, and the womans car smelled bad. What else is there and how does that equate to evidence beyond a reasonable doubt of Aggravated Manslaughter?

Dont get me wrong, I belive this woman killed her child... . I just dont belive the prosecution proved any felony beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
Dixie, are you awaire that the burden of proof for Aggravated Manslaughter is the same as the Burden of Proof for Murder One? The elements are different but the burden is the same. If you are awaire of that, what makes you belive that they met the burden for Manslaughter and not Murder One?

It seems to me they failed to prove anything other than the womans child died, the woman behaved strangely afterward, the woman failed to report her daughter missing, and the womans car smelled bad. What else is there and how does that equate to evidence beyond a reasonable doubt of Aggravated Manslaughter?

Dont get me wrong, I belive this woman killed her child... . I just dont belive the prosecution proved any felony beyond a reasonable doubt.

The circumstantial evidence would have supported a theory something like this one:

Ladies and gentlemen we will show you how this young woman is the quintessential narcissist. That she cared more about going out dancing and being with friends then being a mother. That she sought out online a drug to put her young child to sleep. How she callously chloroformed her and put duct tape on her mouth to keep her quiet in case she awoke... That this selfish and grossly indifferent act caused her death. We will show you that there is no other possibility but that young Caylee Anthony aspirated and choked to death. We will pull back the curtain to show you the naked self serving nature of the defendant who after discovering the body of her 2 year old daughter-hid it and went on with her life of parties. etc etc etc...
 
Brent you're an idiot. You only know what you saw on TV and they feed you what they want you to think. Use your head and stop being a clueless tool.

You're right, I was being an idiot. I've done a bit more research and concluded that had I been on the jury, I would have voted not guilty. While I personally think she is guilty of at least manslaughter, there is no direct evidence. The prosecution failed miserably. Perhaps it was the media attention that went to their heads?
 
You're right, I was being an idiot. I've done a bit more research and concluded that had I been on the jury, I would have voted not guilty. While I personally think she is guilty of at least manslaughter, there is no direct evidence. The prosecution failed miserably. Perhaps it was the media attention that went to their heads?

They could have found her guilty of manslaughter-but didn't, because the prosecution overreached and did not focus their case as a negligent homicide.
 
What scares me is that most people don't care given the comments I've been hearing. They just want to see her fry! It scares the hell out of me. Most people don't care if you're actually innocent or guilty of a crime. They just want to send your ass to prison or hang you, they don't care about justice. They just want to punish someone.It scares the ever loving hell out of me. Good motivation to not get into trouble or get sucked up into the criminal justice system.

Do you know how many times I've heard some mouth breather say "They must be guilty or they wouldn't of charged her.". There is no presumption of innocence when there is trial by media!

Start by not murdering anyone...
 
Dixie, are you awaire that the burden of proof for Aggravated Manslaughter is the same as the Burden of Proof for Murder One? The elements are different but the burden is the same. If you are awaire of that, what makes you belive that they met the burden for Manslaughter and not Murder One?

It seems to me they failed to prove anything other than the womans child died, the woman behaved strangely afterward, the woman failed to report her daughter missing, and the womans car smelled bad. What else is there and how does that equate to evidence beyond a reasonable doubt of Aggravated Manslaughter?

Dont get me wrong, I belive this woman killed her child... . I just dont belive the prosecution proved any felony beyond a reasonable doubt.

Yes, I am aware the burden of proof is the same. Caylee was in the custody of her mother until the time of her disappearance, and Caylee was found dead. Those two facts alone, point to Casey as being responsible for her child's death. Murder One is premeditated murder, meaning she planned and intended to kill her child. I don't think the evidence was ever there to convict her of that. There was a reasonable doubt (in my mind) that she planned or intended to kill Caylee. There was not a reasonable doubt that she was somehow responsible for her death... Manslaughter.

I think the prosecution did a poor job on the forensics, we live in an age where forensics are an exacting science, and a jury is going to expect the evidence from forensics to be conclusive and clear, and in this case, from what was presented, it was not. Nevertheless... the child was dead, that is a fact... the child was in the custodial care of her mother, that is a fact. It's hard to have any reasonable doubt that Casey had nothing to do with the death of the child, particularly when you factor in her behavior and actions following the disappearance. And let's clarify something... a jury is supposed to make a finding based on the preponderance of the evidence, beyond a reasonable doubt, not beyond any possible shadow of a doubt. I think this jury confused "reasonable" with "shadow" in this case. There can be a "shadow" of doubt, even if you had a video tape of the murder...maybe it's someone wearing a disguise? Anything can have a "shadow" of a doubt, if you take it to the extreme.
 
Yes, I am aware the burden of proof is the same. Caylee was in the custody of her mother until the time of her disappearance, and Caylee was found dead. Those two facts alone, point to Casey as being responsible for her child's death. Murder One is premeditated murder, meaning she planned and intended to kill her child. I don't think the evidence was ever there to convict her of that. There was a reasonable doubt (in my mind) that she planned or intended to kill Caylee. There was not a reasonable doubt that she was somehow responsible for her death... Manslaughter.

I think the prosecution did a poor job on the forensics, we live in an age where forensics are an exacting science, and a jury is going to expect the evidence from forensics to be conclusive and clear, and in this case, from what was presented, it was not. Nevertheless... the child was dead, that is a fact... the child was in the custodial care of her mother, that is a fact. It's hard to have any reasonable doubt that Casey had nothing to do with the death of the child, particularly when you factor in her behavior and actions following the disappearance. And let's clarify something... a jury is supposed to make a finding based on the preponderance of the evidence, beyond a reasonable doubt, not beyond any possible shadow of a doubt. I think this jury confused "reasonable" with "shadow" in this case. There can be a "shadow" of doubt, even if you had a video tape of the murder...maybe it's someone wearing a disguise? Anything can have a "shadow" of a doubt, if you take it to the extreme.

Where is the evidence that Casey Anthony took any action that led to the death of her daughter? So are you saying that if a person is in the custodial care of her mother and dies, that means its manslaughter? Really?
 
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