APP - Scott Ritter: 72 hours [potential nuclear war averted] | Scheerpost

[Scott]

Scott Ritter published a great article yesterday on Consortium News, thought some here might like to see it and perhaps engage in a bit of constructive discussion. I know that some here are not exactly fans of Mr. Ritter, but boy, he can be good at finding information that slips unnoticed by many. I've been following the Ukraine war for some time now, but it took Mr. Ritter's article for me to understand why the Biden administration pulled back from the brink of allowing Ukraine to use longer range missiles in its war with Russia. Quoting from the article:

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Most Americans approached last weekend thinking about how they would spend the much-anticipated end of the work week with their friends and family.

Few realize how close they came to actualizing the scenario so horrifyingly spelled out in Annie Jacobsen’s alarming must-read book, Nuclear War: A Scenario.

72 minutes.

That is all it takes to end the world as we know it.

That is less time than most movies playing at the local cinema.

[snip]

The finishing touches on driving home the seriousness of Putin’s warning was left to the Russian ambassador to the United States, Anatoly Antonov. Speaking to the Russian media also last Friday Antonov said he was surprised that many American officials believed that

“if there is a conflict, it will not spread to the territory of the United States of America. I am constantly trying to convey to them one thesis that the Americans will not be able to sit it out behind the waters of this ocean. This war will affect everyone, so we constantly say – do not play with this rhetoric.”

Putin’s words had caught the attention of several former U.S. government officials, who had called Antonov for clarification.

“Yesterday’s statements from Vladimir Putin were weighed very carefully here. Several ex-officials called me asking to explain what actually stands behind those statements. I simply replied: ‘Don’t play with fire.’”

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Full article:

SCOTT RITTER: 72 Minutes

Last weekend, the world came very close to nuclear war. By Scott Ritter Special to Consortium News Most Americans approached last weekend thinking about how they would spend the much-anticipated end of the work week with their friends and family. Few realize how close they came to actualiz

consortiumnews.com

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Hmm. Well, according to Trump and the Cult, Vlad is our good buddy and would never, ever nuke us. **eyeroll**

 

[Scott]

Hmm. Well, according to Trump and the Cult, Vlad is our good buddy and would never, ever nuke us. **eyeroll**

I don't know what Trump has said in the past, but I -do- remember that in the debate with Harris, he said this, bolding what I think is the most important part:
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...he's got a thing that other people don't have. He's got nuclear weapons. They don't ever talk about that. He's got nuclear weapons. Nobody ever thinks about that. And eventually uh maybe he'll use them. Maybe he hasn't been that threatening. But he does have that. Something we don't even like to talk about. Nobody likes to talk about it.
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Source:

READ: Harris-Trump presidential debate transcript

Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump participated in their first presidential debate together in Philadelphia.

abcnews.go.com

I'm not a fan of Trump, but here he has some good points.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I don't know what Trump has said in the past, but I -do- remember that in the debate with Harris, he said this, bolding what I think is the most important part:
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...he's got a thing that other people don't have. He's got nuclear weapons. They don't ever talk about that. He's got nuclear weapons. Nobody ever thinks about that. And eventually uh maybe he'll use them. Maybe he hasn't been that threatening. But he does have that. Something we don't even like to talk about. Nobody likes to talk about it.
**

Source:

READ: Harris-Trump presidential debate transcript

Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump participated in their first presidential debate together in Philadelphia.

abcnews.go.com

I'm not a fan of Trump, but here he has some good points.

If you say so. He just repeated what everyone already knows. Russia has not been our friend for well over a century, if ever. Putin is not our friend or ally. We all know they have nukes. Hell, most of the posters here grew up in the Cold War period. WE are the ones trying to point out that Trump is friendly to a foreign nation that is our enemy and which has repeated threatened us, interferred in our elections, spied on us, hacked us, etc. I often refer to him as #TRE45ON for that very reason, among others.

#TRE45ON's actions when he was IMPOTUSx2 regarding Russia speak louder than his words.

 

[Scott]

If you say so. He just repeated what everyone already knows. Russia has not been our friend for well over a century, if ever.

Russia has certainly had friendly relations with the U.S. in the past, though clearly things were better before the Cold War. I just found a page you may find interesting:

Top Ten Origins: The Best Moments in U.S.-Russian Relations | Origins

Russians have featured prominently in the American press recently. Whether regarding Ukraine, Syria, or allegations of hacking in the 2016 American presidential election, those “mischievous Russkies” seem to be everywhere.

origins.osu.edu

Putin is not our friend or ally.

True. What I'd like you to think about is, why is that? Did you know that for a while, Russia had tried to join NATO? First Gorbachev asked, and then Putin himself. For a while, Bill Clinton stated that it could happen. Time magazine gets into some interesting details here:

Breaking Down the Complicated Relationship Between Russia and NATO

Russia repeatedly asked to join NATO back in the 1990s

time.com

Reading into the article, it seems to suggest that the reason Russia was never let in is because it isn't a democracy. Considering it has elections, though, I'd say it's as democratic as a bunch of other NATO nations that have elections. Flaws in the elections, sure, but then I don't think that the U.S. is immune to that either.

We all know they have nukes. Hell, most of the posters here grew up in the Cold War period.

It seems that the Biden Administration tends to forget sometimes. Fortunately, it looks like the Russians have managed to remind them enough for them to stop this absolute folly of helping Ukraine bomb Russia even more than it already has.

WE are the ones trying to point out that Trump is friendly to a foreign nation that is our enemy and which has repeated threatened us, interferred in our elections, spied on us, hacked us, etc.

First of all, I don't think that Trump has always been friendly with Russia. I -do- believe that he -respects- Russia, as he should. It's the only nation other than the U.S. that can kill most if not all the people on the planet within 72 hours, as Scott Ritter points out. I think that the Biden Administration has frequently forgotten just how dangerous it could be, but as I said, with enough pointed reminders by Russia, they do seem to wake up.

Now, this whole bit about election interference is just bogus, but I know that there are some who still don't realize this. A good article on the subject:

The rise of the Trump-Russia revisionists

The attempt to rewrite the Trump-Russia scandal is underway. But the critics leading the charge are showing their own blind spots.

www.vox.com

I suspect that had this Russiagate disinformation not been around, Trump might not have started arming the Ukrainians and gotten to where we are now. Well known reporter Aaron Mate wrote a great article about this tragic turn of events shortly after Russia's military operation in Ukraine began that I think is well worth the read:

Siding With Ukraine’s Far-Right, US Sabotaged Zelensky’s Peace Mandate

In 2019, Zelensky was elected on an overwhelming mandate to make peace with Russia. As Stephen F. Cohen warned that year, the US chose to side with Ukraine’s far-right and fuel war.

scheerpost.com

 

[Kamala Trump]

If you say so. He just repeated what everyone already knows. Russia has not been our friend for well over a century, if ever. Putin is not our friend or ally. We all know they have nukes. Hell, most of the posters here grew up in the Cold War period. WE are the ones trying to point out that Trump is friendly to a foreign nation that is our enemy and which has repeated threatened us, interferred in our elections, spied on us, hacked us, etc. I often refer to him as #TRE45ON for that very reason, among others.

#TRE45ON's actions when he was IMPOTUSx2 regarding Russia speak louder than his words.

so there was no detentte in the 70's and 80's? the wall didn't come down?

why do you lie for the military industrial complex?

do you just love Satan, evil, and death or what?