Simple Trespass: $5,000 fine, $500 Court Costs, 120 Hours Community Service, Lost Job

From your link:

"A Western Kentucky couple who participated in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol were sentenced Friday in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C.

"Both Thomas and Lori Vinson were sentenced to five years’ probation, fined $5,000 and ordered to pay restitution of $500, court records show.

"U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton also ordered the Vinsons to perform 120 hours of community service, the Associated Press reported."

I like how she got fired, said she'd do it again anyways, and now recants that and is begging for mercy.

#InsurrectionStooges4Trump
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
From your link:

"A Western Kentucky couple who participated in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol were sentenced Friday in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C.

"Both Thomas and Lori Vinson were sentenced to five years’ probation, fined $5,000 and ordered to pay restitution of $500, court records show.

"U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton also ordered the Vinsons to perform 120 hours of community service, the Associated Press reported."

I like how she got fired, said she'd do it again anyways, and now recants that and is begging for mercy.

#InsurrectionStooges4Trump
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So she was fired. So were quite a few cops.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Was this a trial or did they plea out? The articles don't say.
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Yes, it did. From the article:

"The Vinsons were arrested in February. In July, they each pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building."

Pretty stiff sentences for misdemeanors, but I'm cool with it.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
From your link:

"A Western Kentucky couple who participated in the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol were sentenced Friday in U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C.

"Both Thomas and Lori Vinson were sentenced to five years’ probation, fined $5,000 and ordered to pay restitution of $500, court records show.

"U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton also ordered the Vinsons to perform 120 hours of community service, the Associated Press reported."

I like how she got fired, said she'd do it again anyways, and now recants that and is begging for mercy.

#InsurrectionStooges4Trump
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^^ A huge plunge from the morning of Jan 6 when they were pumping their fists in the air and screaming this was a new 1776.

Undoubtedly, we will have to look to the black civil rights leaders of the 60s, the Soviet dissidents of the 70s, and the labor and student activists of the Polish solidarity movement in the 80s for role models of courage and steadfast crusaders for justice.

Because we ain't gonna find it in the obese leaders of the Trumpist cult.
 
Cypress said:
^^ A huge plunge from the morning of Jan 6 when they were pumping their fists in the air and screaming this was a new 1776.

Undoubtedly, we will have to look to the black civil rights leaders of the 60s, the Soviet dissidents of the 70s, and the labor and student activists of the Polish solidarity movement in the 80s for role models of courage and steadfast crusaders for justice.

Because we ain't gonna find it in the obese leaders of the Trumpist cult.
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Nope.

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ThatOwlWoman said:
Yes, it did. From the article:

"The Vinsons were arrested in February. In July, they each pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building."

Pretty stiff sentences for misdemeanors, but I'm cool with it.
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Simply because you want to see political prisoners.
 
Cypress said:
^^ A huge plunge from the morning of Jan 6 when they were pumping their fists in the air and screaming this was a new 1776.

Undoubtedly, we will have to look to the black civil rights leaders of the 60s, the Soviet dissidents of the 70s, and the labor and student activists of the Polish solidarity movement in the 80s for role models of courage and steadfast crusaders for justice.

Because we ain't gonna find it in the obese leaders of the Trumpist cult.
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Bigotry. Not all that support Trump are obese.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Yes, it did. From the article:

"The Vinsons were arrested in February. In July, they each pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of parading, demonstrating or picketing in a Capitol building."

Pretty stiff sentences for misdemeanors, but I'm cool with it.
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Thanks for that, I missed it.

I would call them excessive. $5,000 is about the federal maximum for violent and dangerous crimes like being a drug dealer where someone is charged with a misdemeanor, that sort of thing. It's way above what someone should get for simple trespass or protesting where the persecutor can't prove violence by the defendant, like here. Sounds to me like they had a public pretender for a liar... err, lawyer, and he screwed them over. I can see the $500 assessment for damages, and normally that would be the fine amount too. Ten times the damages? That's probably appealable on the basis of ineffective council, one of the few things you appeal a plea deal on in the federal system.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Thanks for that, I missed it.

I would call them excessive. $5,000 is about the federal maximum for violent and dangerous crimes like being a drug dealer where someone is charged with a misdemeanor, that sort of thing. It's way above what someone should get for simple trespass or protesting where the persecutor can't prove violence by the defendant, like here. Sounds to me like they had a public pretender for a liar... err, lawyer, and he screwed them over. I can see the $500 assessment for damages, and normally that would be the fine amount too. Ten times the damages? That's probably appealable on the basis of ineffective council, one of the few things you appeal a plea deal on in the federal system.
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They have to stay within sentencing guidelines, and cannot exceed them. We can safely assume that the judge did not want to have grounds for appeal, and stayed within them -- but he made them as severe as possible.

Again, I'm good with it. Send a message to all the big-talking would-be other insurrections in the crazy pipeline.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
They have to stay within sentencing guidelines, and cannot exceed them. We can safely assume that the judge did not want to have grounds for appeal, and stayed within them -- but he made them as severe as possible.

Again, I'm good with it. Send a message to all the big-talking would-be other insurrections in the crazy pipeline.
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If he maxed out the fine while charging so little for property damage it's likely he didn't follow the guidelines. I suspect that the prosecutor made a deal with the public defender and they presented to the couple with a threat of major time if they didn't take it. That's pretty common stuff. The couple, without experience in any of that were scared into accepting a bad deal.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
If he maxed out the fine while charging so little for property damage it's likely he didn't follow the guidelines. I suspect that the prosecutor made a deal with the public defender and they presented to the couple with a threat of major time if they didn't take it. That's pretty common stuff. The couple, without experience in any of that were scared into accepting a bad deal.
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If they wanted a good deal, they shouldn't have been there. And she shouldn't have shot her mouth off about having no regrets, and "I'd do it again."

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 
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