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Democrats' budget ploy could shake up balance of power in Sacramento

By Mike Zapler

Mercury News
Posted: 12/21/2008 07:00:00 PM PST

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SACRAMENTO — One longtime Capitol observer called it the legislative equivalent of the nuclear option.

When legislative Democrats last week unveiled a risky gambit to raise billions in new revenue by exploiting a loophole in the state Constitution, it was more than just a bid to prop up the sagging general fund. The move threatened to realign the balance of power in Sacramento — and strip Republicans of their most important source of political influence, the ability to block tax increases.

"We're going to govern, with or without our Republican colleagues," warned new Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg repeatedly in recent weeks as negotiations over the state's massive $40 billion deficit remained deadlocked.

Whether Democrats can get away with that is another matter. Their proposal attempts to do an end-run on one of the most ingrained assumptions of state governance: That any tax increase must be approved by a two-thirds majority, and thus needs at least some Republican votes.

The Democrats' complicated plan would essentially replace taxes with fees, which need only a majority vote. It would generate $18 billion, slightly more than half in new revenue.

But although the plan cleared both legislative houses on near party-line votes, it faces legal and political hurdles, including a threatened veto by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger. In one promising early sign for Democrats, the governor did not take issue with
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the tax proposal itself; instead, he said the plan does not do enough to cut spending and stimulate the economy.

If the governor eventually gets on board, taxpayer groups have promised to sue and go to the ballot to overturn the deal. Steinberg, who took over as Senate leader just this month, said the Legislature's lawyers have assured him the plan will hold up in court, but the matter is hardly clear cut.

One legal expert likened the proposal to an accountant finding clever ways to reduce a client's tax bill.

"The line between tax planning and tax evasion is often paper-thin," said Floyd Feeney, a professor at University of California-Davis School of Law. "Whether this is good enough to fit into the tax planning category or is over the line is not an easy question to answer."

Tony Quinn, a Republican political analyst who has worked in and around the Legislature for four decades, predicted courts would not intervene to stop the plan. "They are very leery of getting involved in how the Legislature and governor pass laws," he said.

If courts do give the green light, the political ramifications could be sweeping. Republicans fret this would be the first of many Democratic attempts to raise new revenue by replacing taxes with fees.

"There will be tax after tax after tax," said Sen. George Runner, R-Lancaster. "Californians should be scared."

Steinberg has as much as conceded that Democrats will use the tactic again if it proves successful. And GOP legislators would be powerless to stop it.

Quinn said Republicans made a serious strategic mistake by not engaging with Democrats on taxes. Instead, they proposed a budget heavily dependent on spending cuts while refusing to consider tax increases.

That prompted the Democratic majority to pursue what Quinn called "the nuclear option." If successful, it would leave Republicans powerless to push through any of the government reforms they want.

"Republicans are reaching the point," he said, "where they will not be relevant to the political process."

Indeed, when budget negotiations resume, legislative Republicans will find themselves on the outside looking in as Democrats and Schwarzenegger work to resolve their differences.

GOP legislative leaders seemed almost resigned to that fact. But they suggested at the same time that if the courts fail to step in, voters would have the last say, as they often do in California. Conservative interest groups are already gearing up for an initiative battle to invalidate the Democrats' move.

Said Senate Republican Leader Dave Cogdill: "People like the checks and balances that are in place now."

However it turns out, the Democratic proposal certainly shook up what had become a paralyzing debate in Sacramento.

"There hasn't been a really interesting idea in the budget discussions for a long time," said Phil Isenberg, a former Democratic state legislator and Sacramento mayor. "This is very interesting, and I mean that sincerely."
 
Hey WM, (if you have a job) if you feel you aren't paying enough in taxes in Mississippi feel free to send some to our state government in Sacramento since you are so excited about others paying higher taxes. We're all one big community out here come and join us.
 
Hey WM, (if you have a job) if you feel you aren't paying enough in taxes in Mississippi feel free to send some to our state government in Sacramento since you are so excited about others paying higher taxes. We're all one big community out here come and join us.

You seem to believe that it would be better for the children to pay instead of yourself. Glad we have wiser people who disagree.

This is a recession - the state should borrow the rest of the 20 billion and not cut spending at all. We don't need 50 Herbert Hoovers fucking up the country.
 
Guess those 'smart' dems figured they needed to thin the population in Sacramento. Lots of people are going to be moving out of there soon. property values should decrease exponentially.

hmmmm, sounds like it could be a good time for property acquisition
 
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Raising taxes is not going to end the recession. And creating news taxes and calling them "fees" is just being dishonest.

Hopefully Arnold will veto it.
 
i see no pwnage...all i see is dishonest weaseling by the dems...exploit a loophole in the constitution to tax us (lie by call it fees) at a higher rate...taht is governence? give a break. how about reduce spending.

the dems will fail at this
 
Raising taxes is not going to end the recession. And creating news taxes and calling them "fees" is just being dishonest.

Hopefully Arnold will veto it.

Raising taxes would hurt just as much as cutting spending. Both public and private sectors are vital to the economy, and even with the tax increases there will be significant cuts. IMHO, the feds should move in and provide money to the ailing state governments in time of recession so that they don't have to cut road construction, educations etc...

That just wouldn't be a good move.
 
Raising taxes would hurt just as much as cutting spending. Both public and private sectors are vital to the economy, and even with the tax increases there will be significant cuts. IMHO, the feds should move in and provide money to the ailing state governments in time of recession so that they don't have to cut road construction, educations etc...

That just wouldn't be a good move.

why do you want to give more power to the federal government? you claim you are a libertarian and call yourself mr. conservative...yet you want bigger government?
 
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