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Don Quixote

Don Quixote

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Truth


A truth’s initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasn’t the world being round that agitated people, but that the world wasn’t flat. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. – Dresden James


Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~ Maurice Maeterlinck


Contempt, prior to complete investigation, enslaves men to ignorance. – Dr. John Whitman Ray


In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. – George Orwell


If you want to make someone angry, tell him a lie; if you want to make him furious, tell him the truth.


All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident. – Arthur Schopenhauer Philosopher, 1788-1860


As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. – J Billings


Don’t confuse your opinion with 55 the truth. – Werner Erhard


Its a rare person who wants to hear what he doesn’t want to hear. – Dick Cavett


The power to fit in with one’s social peers can be irresistible. To a human lemming, the logic behind an opinion doesn’t count as much as the power and popularity behind an opinion. – Norman Livergood?


If the truth is that ugly -- which it is -- then we do have to be careful about the way that we tell the truth. But to say somehow that telling the truth should be avoided because people may respond badly to the truth seems bizarre to me. – Chuck Skoro, Deacon, St. Paul's Catholic Church


Neo: What truth? Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. That you, like everyone else, was born into bondage... kept inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch – a prison for your mind. Matrix


Accept it or reject it; you have to know it. – Mrs. McKay, my grade 11 Geology teacher, RYCI
 
Don Quixote said:
from a friend

Truth


A truth’s initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. It wasn’t the world being round that agitated people, but that the world wasn’t flat. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. – Dresden James


Each progressive spirit is opposed by a thousand mediocre minds appointed to guard the past. ~ Maurice Maeterlinck


Contempt, prior to complete investigation, enslaves men to ignorance. – Dr. John Whitman Ray


In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. – George Orwell


If you want to make someone angry, tell him a lie; if you want to make him furious, tell him the truth.


All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident. – Arthur Schopenhauer Philosopher, 1788-1860


As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. – J Billings


Don’t confuse your opinion with 55 the truth. – Werner Erhard


Its a rare person who wants to hear what he doesn’t want to hear. – Dick Cavett


The power to fit in with one’s social peers can be irresistible. To a human lemming, the logic behind an opinion doesn’t count as much as the power and popularity behind an opinion. – Norman Livergood?


If the truth is that ugly -- which it is -- then we do have to be careful about the way that we tell the truth. But to say somehow that telling the truth should be avoided because people may respond badly to the truth seems bizarre to me. – Chuck Skoro, Deacon, St. Paul's Catholic Church


Neo: What truth? Morpheus: That you are a slave, Neo. That you, like everyone else, was born into bondage... kept inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch – a prison for your mind. Matrix


Accept it or reject it; you have to know it. – Mrs. McKay, my grade 11 Geology teacher, RYCI
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Truth is a hungry beast seeking it's next meal. Truth can be hidden, ignore or denied but it can not be destroyed.
A moral understanding can not exist without truth.
People lie because telling the truth would destroy that which they seek to gain.
The TRUTH, is the Truth, is the TRUTH. Understand that and you have wisdom , honor that and you have a blessing, live that and you have defeated most of the troubles that afflict mankind.
 
OnearmSword said:
Truth is a hungry beast seeking it's next meal. Truth can be hidden, ignore or denied but it can not be destroyed.
A moral understanding can not exist without truth.
People lie because telling the truth would destroy that which they seek to gain.
The TRUTH, is the Truth, is the TRUTH. Understand that and you have wisdom , honor that and you have a blessing, live that and you have defeated most of the troubles that afflict mankind.
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yes, but what is truth and how do we recognize it when it comes our way?
 
A few from my collection of quotes.

"It is of no help to us that there is an absolute truth of the matter of things because unfortunately, none of us are in a position to say definitively what that is - although we all think that we are." Stanley Fish

"Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies." Friedrich Nietzsche

"Day follows day, and its contents are simply added. They are not themselves true, they simply come and are. The truth is what we say about them." William James

"And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh." Friedrich Nietzsche

"It is just this lack of connection to a concern with truth - this indifference to how things really are - that I regard as of the essence of bullshit." Harry Frankfurt

"What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley wrote in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions." In 1984 Huxley added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we hate will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we love will ruin us...This book is about the possibility that Huxley, not Orwell, was right." Neil Postman 'Amusing Ourselves to Death'

"Reasoning was not designed to pursue the truth. Reasoning was designed by evolution to help us win arguments. That's why they call it The Argumentative Theory of Reasoning. So, as they put it,"The evidence reviewed here shows not only that reasoning falls quite short of reliably delivering rational beliefs and rational decisions. It may even be, in a variety of cases, detrimental to rationality. Reasoning can lead to poor outcomes, not because humans are bad at it, but because they systematically strive for arguments that justify their beliefs or their actions. This explains the confirmation bias, motivated reasoning, and reason-based choice, among other things." http://edge.org/conversation/the-argumentative-theory

"To say that truth is not out there is simply to say that where there are no sentences there is no truth, that sentences are elements of human languages, and that languages are human creations. The suggestion that truth is out there is a legacy of an age in which the world was seen as the creation of a being who had a language his own." Richard Rorty


"Crude absurdities, trivial nonsense, and sublime truths are equally potent in readying people for self-sacrifice if they are accepted as the sole, eternal truth." Eric Hoffer

"It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad." James Madison

"All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth." Friedrich Nietzsche

"No two historians ever agree on what happened, and the damn thing is they both think they're telling the truth." Harry S. Truman

"What is so wonderful about scientific truth, however, is that the authority which determines whether there can be debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests with experiment." http://krauss.faculty.asu.edu/nyt730.html


"To most of us nothing is so invisible as an unpleasant truth. Though it is held before our eyes, pushed under our noses, rammed down our throats- we know it not." Eric Hoffer
 
midcan5 said:
A few from my collection of quotes.

"It is of no help to us that there is an absolute truth of the matter of things because unfortunately, none of us are in a position to say definitively what that is - although we all think that we are." Stanley Fish

"Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies." Friedrich Nietzsche

"Day follows day, and its contents are simply added. They are not themselves true, they simply come and are. The truth is what we say about them." William James

"And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once. And we should call every truth false which was not accompanied by at least one laugh." Friedrich Nietzsche

"It is just this lack of connection to a concern with truth - this indifference to how things really are - that I regard as of the essence of bullshit." Harry Frankfurt

"What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley wrote in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions." In 1984 Huxley added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we hate will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we love will ruin us...This book is about the possibility that Huxley, not Orwell, was right." Neil Postman 'Amusing Ourselves to Death'

"Reasoning was not designed to pursue the truth. Reasoning was designed by evolution to help us win arguments. That's why they call it The Argumentative Theory of Reasoning. So, as they put it,"The evidence reviewed here shows not only that reasoning falls quite short of reliably delivering rational beliefs and rational decisions. It may even be, in a variety of cases, detrimental to rationality. Reasoning can lead to poor outcomes, not because humans are bad at it, but because they systematically strive for arguments that justify their beliefs or their actions. This explains the confirmation bias, motivated reasoning, and reason-based choice, among other things." http://edge.org/conversation/the-argumentative-theory

"To say that truth is not out there is simply to say that where there are no sentences there is no truth, that sentences are elements of human languages, and that languages are human creations. The suggestion that truth is out there is a legacy of an age in which the world was seen as the creation of a being who had a language his own." Richard Rorty


"Crude absurdities, trivial nonsense, and sublime truths are equally potent in readying people for self-sacrifice if they are accepted as the sole, eternal truth." Eric Hoffer

"It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad." James Madison

"All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth." Friedrich Nietzsche

"No two historians ever agree on what happened, and the damn thing is they both think they're telling the truth." Harry S. Truman

"What is so wonderful about scientific truth, however, is that the authority which determines whether there can be debate or not does not reside in some fraternity of scientists; nor is it divine. The authority rests with experiment." http://krauss.faculty.asu.edu/nyt730.html


"To most of us nothing is so invisible as an unpleasant truth. Though it is held before our eyes, pushed under our noses, rammed down our throats- we know it not." Eric Hoffer
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nothing is less popular than truth, hence the lack of replies to this thread, welcome aboard
 
Quotes to inspire from Don and Mid.

Banning conversation limits the liberty of thought and opinion.

"But the peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error." John Stewart Mill http://www.bartleby.com/130/2.html

"First: the opinion which it is attempted to suppress by authority may possibly be true. Those who desire to suppress it, of course deny its truth; but they are not infallible. They have no authority to decide the question for all mankind, and exclude every other person from the means of judging. To refuse a hearing to an opinion, because they are sure that it is false, is to assume that their certainty is the same thing as absolute certainty. All silencing of discussion is an assumption of infallibility. Its condemnation may be allowed to rest on this common argument, not the worse for being common."

"Let us now pass to the second division of the argument, and dismissing the supposition that any of the received opinions may be false, let us assume them to be true, and examine into the worth of the manner in which they are likely to be held, when their truth is not freely and openly canvassed. However unwillingly a person who has a strong opinion may admit the possibility that his opinion may be false, he ought to be moved by the consideration that however true it may be, if it is not fully, frequently, and fearlessly discussed, it will be held as a dead dogma, not a living truth." John Stewart Mill http://www.bartleby.com/130/2.html
 
midcan5 said:
Quotes to inspire from Don and Mid.

Banning conversation limits the liberty of thought and opinion.

"But the peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error." John Stewart Mill http://www.bartleby.com/130/2.html

"First: the opinion which it is attempted to suppress by authority may possibly be true. Those who desire to suppress it, of course deny its truth; but they are not infallible. They have no authority to decide the question for all mankind, and exclude every other person from the means of judging. To refuse a hearing to an opinion, because they are sure that it is false, is to assume that their certainty is the same thing as absolute certainty. All silencing of discussion is an assumption of infallibility. Its condemnation may be allowed to rest on this common argument, not the worse for being common."

"Let us now pass to the second division of the argument, and dismissing the supposition that any of the received opinions may be false, let us assume them to be true, and examine into the worth of the manner in which they are likely to be held, when their truth is not freely and openly canvassed. However unwillingly a person who has a strong opinion may admit the possibility that his opinion may be false, he ought to be moved by the consideration that however true it may be, if it is not fully, frequently, and fearlessly discussed, it will be held as a dead dogma, not a living truth." John Stewart Mill http://www.bartleby.com/130/2.html
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Nobody is limiting your ability to speak your mind.

Some apparently think that they should be heard wherever and whenever they choose and to not be allowed is restriction of their freedom. It is the height of narcissism and ignorance about freedom.

Have you ever considered that people aren't interested in your long winded diatribes? Just something to consider. I know you are consumed with your own self professed brilliance and self importance but..........
 
I Love America said:
Nobody is limiting your ability to speak your mind.

Some apparently think that they should be heard wherever and whenever they choose and to not be allowed is restriction of their freedom. It is the height of narcissism and ignorance about freedom.

Have you ever considered that people aren't interested in your long winded diatribes? Just something to consider. I know you are consumed with your own self professed brilliance and self importance but..........
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ILA, And you should thank Don for allowing you to express your opinion here regardless of its content or length. Ain't the first amendment great? Shame you don't believe in it and the American values of openness and speech.
 
midcan5 said:
ILA, And you should thank Don for allowing you to express your opinion here regardless of its content or length. Ain't the first amendment great? Shame you don't believe in it and the American values of openness and speech.
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I believe in the 1st Amendment whole heartedly. I would never ever advocate for the government to limit your speech no matter boring and self indulgent I think it is.

Unfortunately the 1st Amendment doesn't extend to threads I start on JPP

How are your rights infringed upon by you not being able to post in my thread? If you aren't allowed to speak at the State of the Union is your first amendment right being infringed upon?
 
ILA and others continue the fascist censorship that is essential to their controlling the conversation. The irony is you see that same sentiment in our new president, a man who must criticize the free press for the free press tells the truth.

"Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will." Joseph Goebbels
 
I Love America said:
Nobody is limiting your ability to speak your mind.

Some apparently think that they should be heard wherever and whenever they choose and to not be allowed is restriction of their freedom. It is the height of narcissism and ignorance about freedom.

Have you ever considered that people aren't interested in your long winded diatribes? Just something to consider. I know you are consumed with your own self professed brilliance and self importance but..........
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Oh come on. Someone tries to inject a bit of philosophy and earnestness into this joint and you oppose it? Just move on. I didn't discern undo ego in the thoughts.
 
"History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." Karl Marx

Is Trump's election farce, it would seem so given his lying and his family's odd ball positions in his administration. It must remind any sane person of a TV show and not the reality of America's political system. Have they done anything? Executive orders are the best they can do. No one wants their policies enacted. Truth disappeared with this administration.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/pants-fire/


"Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters." Albert Einstein
 
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