South China Sea: Communist red China defiant as tribunal backs Philippines

Bill

Malarkeyville
Big bully commie red China gets a good slap in the face over their trying to take over the entire south china sea w/ bogus claims..:cheer::cheer:




China has firmly rejected an international tribunal ruling that its claims to rights in the South China Sea have no legal basis.

President Xi Jinping said China's "territorial sovereignty and marine rights" in the seas would not be affected by the ruling "in any way".

But he insisted China was still "committed to resolving disputes" with its neighbours.

The Philippines brought the case to the Permanent Court of Arbitration.

The tribunal, based in the Hague, ruled that there was no evidence that China had historic rights to the waters or resources that fell within its "nine-dash line", and was violating the Philippine's sovereign rights with its operations there.

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The ruling was made by an arbitration tribunal under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), which both countries have signed.

It is binding but the Permanent Court of Arbitration has no powers of enforcement.

The dispute

The Philippines has had diplomatic spats with China over the Scarborough Shoal and Spratlys in particular.

It says China's "nine-dash line", which China uses to demarcate its territorial claims, is unlawful under the UNCLOS convention.

Vietnam, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei also have competing claims in the region.

Although these islands are largely uninhabited, they may have reserves of natural resources around them. There has been little detailed exploration of the area, so estimates are largely extrapolated from the mineral wealth of neighbouring areas.

The sea is also a major shipping route and home to fishing grounds that supply the livelihoods of people across the region.

Why is the South China Sea contentious?
In pictures: How the ruling affects the livelihood of Filipino fishermen

Reaction

Chinese media were quick to take the official line that Beijing would not recognise the ruling.

China's state news agency Xinhua said that "as the panel has no jurisdiction, its decision is naturally null and void".

The Philippine government welcomed the ruling as a "milestone decision", but there was little outright celebration.

The BBC's Jonah Fisher in Manila says this may be due to a recent change of government - many Filipinos believe newly-elected President Rodrigo Duterte may have sought promises of Chinese investment, in return for a quiet, dignified response.

There was more delight among Philippine social media users, who dubbed the ruling #CHexit.

Both the US and Japan urged both sides to abide by the ruling. The US called it an "important contribution to the shared goal of a peaceful resolution to disputes in the South China Sea".

But Taiwan rejected the tribunal's findings on an area it administers, saying the ruling had "seriously damaged" its rights and would "definitely not accept this ruling".

The US sent an aircraft carrier and fighter jets to the region ahead of the decision, while the Chinese navy has been carrying out exercises near the disputed Paracel islands.

Sounding a conciliatory tone - Stephen McDonell, BBC News, Beijing

This result represents a major loss of face for China, and yet the first response from Beijing to the UN tribunal's demolition of its claims seems be rather conciliatory.

On the one hand, the Chinese government has re-stated that it has territorial sovereignty and maritime rights in the area and that the activities of its people there date back to over 2,000 years ago.

However, it then goes on to talk about "consultation with the states directly concerned" and proposes "joint development in relevant maritime areas".

Airlines and shipping companies will be pleased to hear that China has also restated that it respects "freedom of navigation and over flight enjoyed by all states under international law in the South China Sea" and that it stands ready to ensure "unimpeded access to international shipping lanes".

All this seems to point towards Beijing possibly seeking some sort of negotiated settlement rather than ramping up the pressure on the Philippines following Manila's comprehensive victory in The Hague.
 
Big bully commie red China gets a good slap in the face over their trying to take over the entire south china sea w/ bogus claims..:cheer::cheer:




China has firmly rejected an international tribunal ruling that its claims to rights in the South China Sea have no legal basis.

President Xi Jinping said China's "territorial sovereignty and marine rights" in the seas would not be affected by the ruling "in any way".

But he insisted China was still "committed to resolving disputes" with its neighbours.

The Philippines brought the case to the Permanent Court of Arbitration.

The tribunal, based in the Hague, ruled that there was no evidence that China had historic rights to the waters or resources that fell within its "nine-dash line", and was violating the Philippine's sovereign rights with its operations there.

_90359711_south_china_sea_110716_624map.png


The ruling was made by an arbitration tribunal under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), which both countries have signed.

It is binding but the Permanent Court of Arbitration has no powers of enforcement.

The dispute

The Philippines has had diplomatic spats with China over the Scarborough Shoal and Spratlys in particular.

It says China's "nine-dash line", which China uses to demarcate its territorial claims, is unlawful under the UNCLOS convention.

Vietnam, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei also have competing claims in the region.

Although these islands are largely uninhabited, they may have reserves of natural resources around them. There has been little detailed exploration of the area, so estimates are largely extrapolated from the mineral wealth of neighbouring areas.

The sea is also a major shipping route and home to fishing grounds that supply the livelihoods of people across the region.

Why is the South China Sea contentious?
In pictures: How the ruling affects the livelihood of Filipino fishermen

Reaction

Chinese media were quick to take the official line that Beijing would not recognise the ruling.

China's state news agency Xinhua said that "as the panel has no jurisdiction, its decision is naturally null and void".

The Philippine government welcomed the ruling as a "milestone decision", but there was little outright celebration.

The BBC's Jonah Fisher in Manila says this may be due to a recent change of government - many Filipinos believe newly-elected President Rodrigo Duterte may have sought promises of Chinese investment, in return for a quiet, dignified response.

There was more delight among Philippine social media users, who dubbed the ruling #CHexit.

Both the US and Japan urged both sides to abide by the ruling. The US called it an "important contribution to the shared goal of a peaceful resolution to disputes in the South China Sea".

But Taiwan rejected the tribunal's findings on an area it administers, saying the ruling had "seriously damaged" its rights and would "definitely not accept this ruling".

The US sent an aircraft carrier and fighter jets to the region ahead of the decision, while the Chinese navy has been carrying out exercises near the disputed Paracel islands.

Sounding a conciliatory tone - Stephen McDonell, BBC News, Beijing

This result represents a major loss of face for China, and yet the first response from Beijing to the UN tribunal's demolition of its claims seems be rather conciliatory.

On the one hand, the Chinese government has re-stated that it has territorial sovereignty and maritime rights in the area and that the activities of its people there date back to over 2,000 years ago.

However, it then goes on to talk about "consultation with the states directly concerned" and proposes "joint development in relevant maritime areas".

Airlines and shipping companies will be pleased to hear that China has also restated that it respects "freedom of navigation and over flight enjoyed by all states under international law in the South China Sea" and that it stands ready to ensure "unimpeded access to international shipping lanes".

All this seems to point towards Beijing possibly seeking some sort of negotiated settlement rather than ramping up the pressure on the Philippines following Manila's comprehensive victory in The Hague.

Let's hope China is made to see reason.

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The US has set many precedents in the Security Council when it comes to using its veto in order to defend- even promote- the sort of illegal Israeli behavior which the Chinese are emulating now.

Those that thought that the illegal ' facts on the ground ' practice was a good law-evading wheeze- your repugnant immorality has came back to bite your asses

In effect, supporters of Israeli theft of other people's territory have no moral standing in opposing the Chinese doing the same- so shove your crocodile tears. On the other hand, those who have, over the years, loudly condemned Israeli criminality as contrary to international law- you are the ones with the spine to lead the legal opposition to Chinese intransigence- and so you should ...just as soon as everybody else condemns Israel's crimes and does something about them. Otherwise----sit back and enjoy the hypocrisy fest.


So let's not hear another peep from those who ignore the international judicial mechanisms on Israel-related matters. You have spent your credibility. You have no voice .

Further, should this crisis result in war- which it well might- then you can blame the scourge of Zionism and those bought puppets who diluted and scorned international justice in their scurrilous United Nations dealings . The warning- all along- has been that Israel was underming international law to the detriment of us all. ANY country stealing another's territory is free to point to the Zionist example- which you have supported.
 
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Regarding talks that China and Philippines may talk one-on-one on a deal....
other then that nothing changes if China doesn't want it to change. how is China constrained ?
 
The US has set many precedents in the Security Council when it comes to using its veto in order to defend- even promote- the sort of illegal Israeli behavior which the Chinese are emulating now.

Those that thought that the illegal ' facts on the ground ' practice was a good law-evading wheeze- your repugnant immorality has came back to bite your asses

In effect, supporters of Israeli theft of other people's territory have no moral standing in opposing the Chinese doing the same- so shove your crocodile tears. On the other hand, those who have, over the years, loudly condemned Israeli criminality as contrary to international law- you are the ones with the spine to lead the legal opposition to Chinese intransigence- and so you should ...just as soon as everybody else condemns Israel's crimes and does something about them. Otherwise----sit back and enjoy the hypocrisy fest.


So let's not hear another peep from those who ignore the international judicial mechanisms on Israel-related matters. You have spent your credibility. You have no voice .

Further, should this crisis result in war- which it well might- then you can blame the scourge of Zionism and those bought puppets who diluted and scorned international justice in their scurrilous United Nations dealings . The warning- all along- has been that Israel was underming international law to the detriment of us all. ANY country stealing another's territory is free to point to the Zionist example- which you have supported.

because everyone knows how important it is to make the South China Sea about Zionism....
 
The US has set many precedents in the Security Council when it comes to using its veto in order to defend- even promote- the sort of illegal Israeli behavior which the Chinese are emulating now.

Those that thought that the illegal ' facts on the ground ' practice was a good law-evading wheeze- your repugnant immorality has came back to bite your asses

In effect, supporters of Israeli theft of other people's territory have no moral standing in opposing the Chinese doing the same- so shove your crocodile tears. On the other hand, those who have, over the years, loudly condemned Israeli criminality as contrary to international law- you are the ones with the spine to lead the legal opposition to Chinese intransigence- and so you should ...just as soon as everybody else condemns Israel's crimes and does something about them. Otherwise----sit back and enjoy the hypocrisy fest.


So let's not hear another peep from those who ignore the international judicial mechanisms on Israel-related matters. You have spent your credibility. You have no voice .

Further, should this crisis result in war- which it well might- then you can blame the scourge of Zionism and those bought puppets who diluted and scorned international justice in their scurrilous United Nations dealings . The warning- all along- has been that Israel was underming international law to the detriment of us all. ANY country stealing another's territory is free to point to the Zionist example- which you have supported.
Dude??? You have a comment on China trying to take over the entire sea, thousand + miles from the mainland?? or you wanna just talk about Israel??
 
other then that nothing changes if China doesn't want it to change. how is China constrained ?

Yep... What is anyone going to do about it...?? They have most of east asia by the economic balls already...

Where are all the environmentalist on this?? They are ruining the ecosystem on these tiny islets which much sea life depends..
 
It's their sphere of influence. We are not world police.

As long as China owns our national and corporate debt, we aren't in a position to do anything about it, even if we wanted to.

I don't see China threatening the US over the Monroe Doctrine.
 
prediction: this will have 0 effect on china and the issue.
I would t bet on that. The US has a huge strategic interest in the Philippines and South China Sea. The biggest outcome so far has been to spur Filipinos into negotiating a new lease at Subic Bay and Olongopo. The last thing China wants is a military dispute with its largest trading partner. If China tries to violate Filipinoterritorial rights they will have to go through the US first.

Anyone with any knowledge of US foreign policy. The Philippines strategic importance is just to great for the US.
 
It's their sphere of influence. We are not world police.

As long as China owns our national and corporate debt, we aren't in a position to do anything about it, even if we wanted to.

I don't see China threatening the US over the Monroe Doctrine.
like hell we aren't. The Chinese fleet is no match for the US Navy. If China scares the Filipinos bad enough and threaten US interest there you'll see Subic bay grow to its Vietnam era size.
 
It's their sphere of influence. We are not world police.

As long as China owns our national and corporate debt, we aren't in a position to do anything about it, even if we wanted to.

I don't see China threatening the US over the Monroe Doctrine.
The Monroe doctrine stopped being official US doctrine a long time ago.
 
The Monroe doctrine stopped being official US doctrine a long time ago.

The PRC is a young nation. Why shouldn't they enjoy the same latitude we got?

BTW, Beijing has guaranteed "freedom of navigation and over flight enjoyed by all states under international law in the South China Sea" and that it stands ready to ensure "unimpeded access to international shipping lanes".

Maybe you should have read the OP before you tried to placate your wife by spouting outdated imperialist threats that someone else's kid will have to carry out.
 
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