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[apple0154]

that's the scariest aspect of being uninsured.. I know this, because I am uninsured.. I am lucky enough to have a very awesome 'low cost' walk-in clinic that I can use for ear aches, sinus infections, acne breakout for the teen..easy stuff... But I should have had a mammogram by now,I haven't had a pelvic since my 16yro was 2, my cholesterol needs to be checked and since we have kidney issues in my family I should have BP and kidney functions blood work.. well, and my family has a whole host of auto immune diseases and it would be awesome to have federal bc/bs like my mother to get a handle on them.. but these things are out of my reach because the out of pocket expense is more than I can cover.

my husband broke his back in 1997.. he has his own hosts of issues.. but for the most part, he's extremely healthy.. but one wrong turn and...? he can be laid up and out of work for months..

before Obamacare, neither of us could get insurance because of pre-existing conditions... .. now, while the those aren't an issue, the costs still are.. we simply can't afford it.

By pre-2006 standards, we're doing pretty freaking awesome financially.. We're making double what were back then, but by today's standard where 'goods' and 'utilities' and 'rents' have tripled,we're just breaking even each month.. Yet we're still above the line when it comes to getting any kind of 'medicaid' or even share of cost state insurance. Here's the rub.. I've never met a person, graduate degree or not.. who works harder than my husband.. He's 'construction' and out in the Fla sun day in and day out giving such exemplar work that he's in demand when there is work to be done.. I bust my ass 5 days a week, granted, not as hard as him, nor as long.. but I'm a business owner who employs another person..

we're not 'lazy'.. we don't 'suck off others'.. we, for the most part, abide by the law..(hubby may, or may not partake in some Amsterdam tea now and again ) we pay our taxes, we've raised two awesome kids.. hell, we even feed the neighbor's pregnant cat because the neighbor is in jail and we felt bad for her...Hubby's a red-blooded American who hunts,fishes and watches nascar with the best of them..but we look around and ask .. What the fuck? Don't we count?

Ya know, to all of the ppl bitching about 'obamacare'.. the people like me and mine.. and really, this is who this law is for, because there will always be lazies who suck off the tit no matter what you do about it..rich and poor alike, there will always be moochers,but for people like me and mine, this whole thing is about making it just a little bit easier for us to get to the fucking doctor when that tickle in the back of our throats just won't go away, when the lump under our arms seems to be getting bigger and more tender, when that spot on our nose where the FLA sun shines on each and every day we're out working and sweating our balls off starts to get a little strange looking with it's irregular edges..

the amp'd up rhetoric is all about those 'undeserving' sloats who will get something for free and those are all anyone is thinking of, while too many others in need are being forgotten... We've begged and pleaded and died for just a taste of the pie labeled 'Health insurance' only to be slapped away because of PE-conditions or lack of enough money to cover $2000 a month premiums... and no one's cared or listened or helped..

or the vitriol is all about a 'tax' ... the horror! a tax.. Grover is shitting himself! If you can afford insurance and don't get it, you'll be assessed $685 a year!! Jumping Jesus, you're taxed more to pay for the paper your congressman uses to wipe his ass with.

When we were told "Just tell your doctor you'll pay him with a chicken, doctors are very sympathetic people" as an actual counter-offer to 'obamacare'.. to me, it became clear.. people who are insured, don't really 'get it'... and they don't really care.. they just don't care enough to take this shit seriously. People are dying in the United States Of America because they can't afford to see a doctor. If it wasn't so serious, it would be hilarious. How can we claim to be the greatest of all when that sad simple fact is so true for MILLIONS of people?

As a liberal, the mandate horrifies me.. how can it not. and after the Bush years, with his EXTREME rights violations.. how could I possible be sitting here arguing for a mandate..? Because the counter off was "Pay your doctor with a chicken".. even today, the Right doesn't have a 'replace' plan.. the only plan to replace Obamacare is with chickens.

Obamacare is far from my ideal healthcare plan.. but it's better than raising chickens to pay for my pap smear..(which even I could, my city doesn't allow farm animals..so I'm screwed on that as well).. So I'm ok with the tax, as long as it helps me have a fair and fighting chance to get treated by a doctor in this country instead of WebMD.

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$2000 a month premiums!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't even imagine that.

 

[Taichiliberal]

that's the scariest aspect of being uninsured.. I know this, because I am uninsured.. I am lucky enough to have a very awesome 'low cost' walk-in clinic that I can use for ear aches, sinus infections, acne breakout for the teen..easy stuff... But I should have had a mammogram by now,I haven't had a pelvic since my 16yro was 2, my cholesterol needs to be checked and since we have kidney issues in my family I should have BP and kidney functions blood work.. well, and my family has a whole host of auto immune diseases and it would be awesome to have federal bc/bs like my mother to get a handle on them.. but these things are out of my reach because the out of pocket expense is more than I can cover.

my husband broke his back in 1997.. he has his own hosts of issues.. but for the most part, he's extremely healthy.. but one wrong turn and...? he can be laid up and out of work for months..

before Obamacare, neither of us could get insurance because of pre-existing conditions... .. now, while the those aren't an issue, the costs still are.. we simply can't afford it.

By pre-2006 standards, we're doing pretty freaking awesome financially.. We're making double what were back then, but by today's standard where 'goods' and 'utilities' and 'rents' have tripled,we're just breaking even each month.. Yet we're still above the line when it comes to getting any kind of 'medicaid' or even share of cost state insurance. Here's the rub.. I've never met a person, graduate degree or not.. who works harder than my husband.. He's 'construction' and out in the Fla sun day in and day out giving such exemplar work that he's in demand when there is work to be done.. I bust my ass 5 days a week, granted, not as hard as him, nor as long.. but I'm a business owner who employs another person..

we're not 'lazy'.. we don't 'suck off others'.. we, for the most part, abide by the law..(hubby may, or may not partake in some Amsterdam tea now and again ) we pay our taxes, we've raised two awesome kids.. hell, we even feed the neighbor's pregnant cat because the neighbor is in jail and we felt bad for her...Hubby's a red-blooded American who hunts,fishes and watches nascar with the best of them..but we look around and ask .. What the fuck? Don't we count?

Ya know, to all of the ppl bitching about 'obamacare'.. the people like me and mine.. and really, this is who this law is for, because there will always be lazies who suck off the tit no matter what you do about it..rich and poor alike, there will always be moochers,but for people like me and mine, this whole thing is about making it just a little bit easier for us to get to the fucking doctor when that tickle in the back of our throats just won't go away, when the lump under our arms seems to be getting bigger and more tender, when that spot on our nose where the FLA sun shines on each and every day we're out working and sweating our balls off starts to get a little strange looking with it's irregular edges..

the amp'd up rhetoric is all about those 'undeserving' sloats who will get something for free and those are all anyone is thinking of, while too many others in need are being forgotten... We've begged and pleaded and died for just a taste of the pie labeled 'Health insurance' only to be slapped away because of PE-conditions or lack of enough money to cover $2000 a month premiums... and no one's cared or listened or helped..

or the vitriol is all about a 'tax' ... the horror! a tax.. Grover is shitting himself! If you can afford insurance and don't get it, you'll be assessed $685 a year!! Jumping Jesus, you're taxed more to pay for the paper your congressman uses to wipe his ass with.

When we were told "Just tell your doctor you'll pay him with a chicken, doctors are very sympathetic people" as an actual counter-offer to 'obamacare'.. to me, it became clear.. people who are insured, don't really 'get it'... and they don't really care.. they just don't care enough to take this shit seriously. People are dying in the United States Of America because they can't afford to see a doctor. If it wasn't so serious, it would be hilarious. How can we claim to be the greatest of all when that sad simple fact is so true for MILLIONS of people?

As a liberal, the mandate horrifies me.. how can it not. and after the Bush years, with his EXTREME rights violations.. how could I possible be sitting here arguing for a mandate..? Because the counter off was "Pay your doctor with a chicken".. even today, the Right doesn't have a 'replace' plan.. the only plan to replace Obamacare is with chickens.

Obamacare is far from my ideal healthcare plan.. but it's better than raising chickens to pay for my pap smear..(which even I could, my city doesn't allow farm animals..so I'm screwed on that as well).. So I'm ok with the tax, as long as it helps me have a fair and fighting chance to get treated by a doctor in this country instead of WebMD.

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And there it is! The truth that our right wing-nut flunkies don't want to hear...or really don't care. As I said before, the right wing flunkies spewing Limbaugh talking points WILL NOT HAVE TO PAY A PENALTY TAX...it's estimated tha less than 3% of the country would be affected....IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO BUY HEALTH INSURANCE. So the flunkies are once again being attack dogs for corporate hierarchy who piss on them the second they are not in servitude.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Bottom line: you purchase a car but not a basic auto insurance, then you get some serious bills in the event of an accident.

Unlike a car, human beings eventually need some type of medical treatment that is not available OTC. If more money is in the general coffer, then the financial burden is LESS on the society when grandpa keels over or grandma wraps the family car around that tree. Or if you have a slew of folk taken to an emergeny room after a natural disaster, and have of them have no insurance to speak of.

The ONLY people who would pay this "tax" are those who can but refuse to get health insurance. If you can't afford it, then the gov't will assist you.

Flunkies for the insurance lobby are wailing like stuck pigs, yet they are NOT the ones to be affected. It's being thrown around that from 1 to 3% of the population will actually be affected by this tax...which is adjusted to the individual tax return (affordable).

If the insurance companies raise their rates, it's NOT because of AHA. Gee, what about all that "free market will take care of everything" rap? Nothing is impeding "competitve" rates, and what the hell is the reason to raise your rates ahead of the COLA?

Sorry to inform you neocons and teabaggers ( and some libertarian lunkheads), but it's the gov't by,for and of the people....NOT the private corporation alone.

it's amusingly ironic that the Libtardians and their Occupy movement that hate corporations and big company profits with such enmity that they actually tried to shut down NYC are 110% for forcing any and all Americans, who can barely afford food and medication at the same time, to fork over extra monies over to those very same big corporations they say they can't stand.

Please provide PROOF from the ACA act that does EXACTLY as you claim here, STY. NOT your opinion, supposition or conjecture.

If you can't, then you're just another flunkie for people that could care less about you unless you're serving them.

 

[ekg]

And to my understanding, "free" hospital care for the poor isn't really free. They get a bill for services and the opportunity to negotiate the price by paying in full or paying in installments if there's no government assistance. Then if they can't pay fast enough, or at all, their credit record suffers.

exactly... and when they don't pay, your prices go up. It's the reason why your insurance is billed $25 for an aspirin or $47 for a band-aid.

 

[ekg]

My point exactly, so that obviously shoots down the attempted comparison.
Thanks

there is no comparison.. Buying a car isn't anything like buying health insurance. The only comparisons comes 'after' you buy a car.. then you are mandated to get it insured,you are mandated to re-pay the tax on your tags every year on your birthday..and you are mandated to acquire a license to drive.. we are 'mandated' to buy things and haven't gone commie yet..

but more specifically... if you don't buy a car, you can take the bus or ride with a friend.. but if you don't have healthcare, you can't use your brother's, nor is there a 'public option' to ride when you get old and need glasses or a hearing aid.

If you don't have a car, you can't drive yourself to the mall and buy a new Juicy purse.. so sad. But it really doesn't affect me.
if you don't have health insurance, you don't get that cough checked out.. so sad.. but that really does affect me since it's TB you've got and I'm in line with you at Publix.

if you don't have a car, you can't install that new JVC subwoofer that has pretty blue lights... no biggies.
if you don't have healthcare you can't install the pacemaker you need and while you're operating the fork lift with 5000lbs of rocks in it your transferring from one place to another, your ticker kicks off and you drop that load and kill 7 people.

you're right.. there simply is no comparison because anyone can get along without a car and it doesn't really hurt them and it definitely doesn't hurt me, but not having health insurance fucks us all..

 

[ekg]

you can actually negotiate a better price when you are paying for it.

where?

I really need to know to where this mythical provider is.. and does that include 'dental' as well? Because I've asked.. many-amany and haven't found one yet. So maybe you can point me in the right direction?

I am coming into this late, may I ask.. what is it you're against with Obamacare? and what would you do differently?

 

[ekg]

Fabulous post, ekg. I'm so glad you'll be getting all the benefits you and your family deserve as the plan goes into effect.

I live in Florida, with Rick Scott as my Gov. We're not getting the benefits of Obamacare down here because SCOTUS disallowed the 'medicaid penalty'.. (or whatever you want to call it).. So I still have a ways to go, but I'm a hell of a lot closer than I was... but us Floridians will be helping to pay for other states Obamacare implementation... Yaaa..

But Scott has resorted to fuzzy math to justify his opposition to expanding Medicaid. In TV interviews, the governor pegged the state's cost at $1.9 billion a year. But estimates from his own state health agency said the tab would reach about $1 billion a year, and not until 2020.

That's not chicken feed for Florida, but it's not a bad deal considering what the state would get in return: health coverage for, depending on who's doing the projections, 700,000 to 1.8 million uninsured Floridians.

Without coverage, those residents will keep showing up at emergency rooms for routine care, unable to pay for it — a practice that raises costs for Floridians who do have insurance.

Scott's position would be more defensible if he had his own specific plan to cover uninsured Floridians. He doesn't.

And the governor's decision to opt out of the Medicaid expansion won't save state residents a dime in federal taxes. It'll just make sure the billions that Uncle Sam collects from Floridians for that purpose go to other states.

Confirming that his position is more political than practical, Scott also said Florida won't create an exchange that the law calls for to sell health insurance policies. That doesn't mean the state won't have an exchange; it just means the feds will run it.

As we said following last week's high court ruling, Floridians have nothing to gain by Scott continuing to wage what's now a dead-end fight against federal health reform.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...alth-coverage-health-insurance-federal-health

for now it's still the walk-in clinic for minor acute ailments, ER for major ones and a hope and a'prayer nothing catastrophic happens..

 

[ekg]

$2000 a month premiums!!!!!!!!!! OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't even imagine that.

a client of mine was the city manager in a neighboring city, but it was a tiny place and a redundant seat so they eliminated his position to save the city money.. when he left, his COBRA was $5900 a month.. he'd also had cancer years before and his yearly PET scan showed it was back the same time he lost his job, so he no other choice but to pay that $5900 monthly premium...

Luckily, his wife is a 'trust-fund' baby and could afford it, but for the people who can't? Holy shit! It's, sadly, worth it to just go without and let the rest of the 'insured' pay it in their premiums..

 

[apple0154]

a client of mine was the city manager in a neighboring city, but it was a tiny place and a redundant seat so they eliminated his position to save the city money.. when he left, his COBRA was $5900 a month.. he'd also had cancer years before and his yearly PET scan showed it was back the same time he lost his job, so he no other choice but to pay that $5900 monthly premium...

Luckily, his wife is a 'trust-fund' baby and could afford it, but for the people who can't? Holy shit! It's, sadly, worth it to just go without and let the rest of the 'insured' pay it in their premiums..

Incredible!

Years ago I had a car accident and fractured my spine. They fused two vertebra and fixed 6 broken ribs, broken arm, jaw, sinuses, shoulder, punctured lung and a few other "bumps". I spent 3 months in hospital including over two weeks in ICU. A tracheotomy and electric wires to keep the heart going. Total cost under government medical: Zero. Not one cent out of pocket. In fact, I never received a bill. I have no idea what the cost was.

 

[ekg]

Incredible!

Years ago I had a car accident and fractured my spine. They fused two vertebra and fixed 6 broken ribs, broken arm, jaw, sinuses, shoulder, punctured lung and a few other "bumps". I spent 3 months in hospital including over two weeks in ICU. A tracheotomy and electric wires to keep the heart going. Total cost under government medical: Zero. Not one cent out of pocket. In fact, I never received a bill. I have no idea what the cost was.

damn!(for the story and injury)..

I had mentioned my hubby breaking his in '97, after all the surgeries and whatnots, he had to go to 'in patient' rehab to learn to 'walk,bend and live' again.. his was "work comp" but we still got the bill and it was totally itemized.. for his 28 day stay, just his 'pharmacy' bill was over $36K... they had listed the amounts of the pills like "400 soma on Thursday" and another "300" of this on the same day.. and this was listed for every single day.. what they were doing was charging each time they opened a bottle..instead of by the pill, so they could make up the difference for the 'uninsured' cases..

and his insurance paid it.. without question... I questioned it, but they didn't.. I was like "WTF".. but it's the way it's done.. *shrug*

 

[christiefan915]

I live in Florida, with Rick Scott as my Gov. We're not getting the benefits of Obamacare down here because SCOTUS disallowed the 'medicaid penalty'.. (or whatever you want to call it).. So I still have a ways to go, but I'm a hell of a lot closer than I was... but us Floridians will be helping to pay for other states Obamacare implementation... Yaaa..


for now it's still the walk-in clinic for minor acute ailments, ER for major ones and a hope and a'prayer nothing catastrophic happens..

I just got done reading his bio, man, what a total classless jerk. Let's see how well he does at the ballot box in the next election, when people realize what they're losing because of his hissy fit over Obamacare.

 

[christiefan915]

damn!(for the story and injury)..

I had mentioned my hubby breaking his in '97, after all the surgeries and whatnots, he had to go to 'in patient' rehab to learn to 'walk,bend and live' again.. his was "work comp" but we still got the bill and it was totally itemized.. for his 28 day stay, just his 'pharmacy' bill was over $36K... they had listed the amounts of the pills like "400 soma on Thursday" and another "300" of this on the same day.. and this was listed for every single day.. what they were doing was charging each time they opened a bottle..instead of by the pill, so they could make up the difference for the 'uninsured' cases..

and his insurance paid it.. without question... I questioned it, but they didn't.. I was like "WTF".. but it's the way it's done.. *shrug*

My god, that's just criminal. How could even the most hardwired conservative not see this?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

there is no comparison.. Buying a car isn't anything like buying health insurance. The only comparisons comes 'after' you buy a car.. then you are mandated to get it insured,you are mandated to re-pay the tax on your tags every year on your birthday..and you are mandated to acquire a license to drive.. we are 'mandated' to buy things and haven't gone commie yet..

but more specifically... if you don't buy a car, you can take the bus or ride with a friend.. but if you don't have healthcare, you can't use your brother's, nor is there a 'public option' to ride when you get old and need glasses or a hearing aid.

If you don't have a car, you can't drive yourself to the mall and buy a new Juicy purse.. so sad. But it really doesn't affect me.
if you don't have health insurance, you don't get that cough checked out.. so sad.. but that really does affect me since it's TB you've got and I'm in line with you at Publix.

if you don't have a car, you can't install that new JVC subwoofer that has pretty blue lights... no biggies.
if you don't have healthcare you can't install the pacemaker you need and while you're operating the fork lift with 5000lbs of rocks in it your transferring from one place to another, your ticker kicks off and you drop that load and kill 7 people.

you're right.. there simply is no comparison because anyone can get along without a car and it doesn't really hurt them and it definitely doesn't hurt me, but not having health insurance fucks us all..

You seem a little confused.
You start off by saying that comparing the Obama bill to a car is wrong and then you try to continue to use it do a comparison.

We are not TAXED by not having a car; but we will be TAXED for not complying with Obama's bill.

 

[Rune]

You seem a little confused.
You start off by saying that comparing the Obama bill to a car is wrong and then you try to continue to use it do a comparison.

We are not TAXED by not having a car; but we will be TAXED for not complying with Obama's bill.

Try reading it again, slower this time. Maybe one of your grandkids could explain the bigger words to you.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Try reading it again, slower this time. Maybe one of your grandkids could explain the bigger words to you.

At least my Grandkids don't try to use something as a comparison, after they reject using it in the first place.


So when are you going to support a tax on those who don't own cars?

 

[Taichiliberal]

You seem a little confused.
You start off by saying that comparing the Obama bill to a car is wrong and then you try to continue to use it do a comparison.

We are not TAXED by not having a car; but we will be TAXED for not complying with Obama's bill.

He demonstrated how idiotic it is to compare buying a car to purchasing health insurance....that you ignore the details of his explanation is A-typical of the flunkies for the insurance lobby.

You're given a penalty tax for not paying into something that you will eventually need in order for the "bill" to be a lesser burden for the rest of society down the road.

Healthcare is inevitable, like death and taxes. If YOU have insurance at present, then the penalty tax does not affect you....and if you want to purchase it but fall short, you can get gov't assistance to do so.