spontaneous life in space?

August 12, 2007

Dust ‘comes alive’ in spaceRobert Booth
SCIENTISTS have discovered that inorganic material can take on the characteristics of living organisms in space, a development that could transform views of alien life.

An international panel from the Russian Academy of Sciences, the Max Planck institute in Germany and the University of Sydney found that galactic dust could form spontaneously into helixes and double helixes and that the inorganic creations had memory and the power to reproduce themselves.

A similar rethinking of prospective alien life is being undertaken by the National Research Council, an advisory body to the US government. It says Nasa should start a search for what it describes as “weird life” - organisms that lack DNA or other molecules found in life on Earth.

The new research, to be published this week in the New Journal of Physics, found nonorganic dust, when held in the form of plasma in zero gravity, formed the helical structures found in DNA. The particles are held together by electromagnetic forces that the scientists say could contain a code comparable to the genetic information held in organic matter. It appeared that this code could be transferred to the next generation.

Professor Greg Morfill, of the Max Planck institute of extra-terrestrial physics, said: “Going by our current narrow definitions of what life is, it qualifies.

“The question now is to see if it can evolve to become intelligent. It’s a little bit like science fiction at the moment. The potential level of complexity we are looking at is of an amoeba or a plant.

“I do not believe that the systems we are talking about are life as we know it. We need to define the criteria for what we think of as life much more clearly.”

It may be that science is starting to study territory already explored by science fiction. The television series The X-Files, for example, has featured life in the form of a silicon-based parasitic spore.

The Max Planck experiments were conducted in zero gravity conditions in Germany and on the International Space Station 200 miles above earth.

The findings have provoked speculation that the helix could be a common structure that underpins all life, organic and nonorganic.
 
I love this story it gives me hope that someday people will trust the answers of science over myth.
 
“I do not believe that the systems we are talking about are life as we know it. We need to define the criteria for what we think of as life much more clearly.”


Throw this in the face of all the people who talked to who took 8 ambigiously produced "scientific" definitions of life, said a zygote met all of them, and then yelled at me that I believed in "murder".
 
6 billion???

He's referring to the evangalevical belief that the world is 6000 years old, and humans were made at that time.

The Earth is about 4 billion years old, the universe is about 13.8 billion years old, and cro-magnum man is about 10,000-20,000 years old. In a sane persons mind, that is.
 
He's referring to the evangalevical belief that the world is 6000 years old, and humans were made at that time.

The Earth is about 4 billion years old, the universe is about 13.8 billion years old, and cro-magnum man is about 10,000-20,000 years old. In a sane persons mind, that is.

you will burn for alleternity for that blasphemy!

:burn:
 
Science fiction has always been the precursor to science and discovery.

Question is, where does this leave "God?"

God is what it is. Everything, the whole universe is "god". Not some angry bearded dude who likes to send people to hell for the sake of his fat ego, but everything is part of creation and intelligence and the beauty of the universe.

We're here, life is beautiful, the universe is beautiful and awe inspiring, I don't need ugliness and threats to find the beauty and intelligence of the universe. Its already there without some vindictive cocksucker claiming sole responsibility to it.
 
God is what it is. Everything, the whole universe is "god". Not some angry bearded dude who likes to send people to hell for the sake of his fat ego, but everything is part of creation and intelligence and the beauty of the universe.

We're here, life is beautiful, the universe is beautiful and awe inspiring, I don't need ugliness and threats to find the beauty and intelligence of the universe. Its already there without some vindictive cocksucker claiming sole responsibility to it.

Well said.
 
I have posted this story at a couple of sights and I have to say this site contains my favotrite responses.
 
I feel that all the interworking of various life forms is a balance that happens with time and evoloution.
Something will always rise to take advantage of a niche market.
 
Yeap that is evolution.

Evolution is what creates everything , just because we dont completely understand how it all works doesnt mean it doesnt happen.

All the evidence we can pin down points to time and lifes attempt at successfully filling a spot that can be exploited as the true God.

I just have never figured out why that is NOT beautiful to people , It Is to Me!
 
Yeap that is evolution.

Evolution is what creates everything , just because we dont completely understand how it all works doesnt mean it doesnt happen.

All the evidence we can pin down points to time and lifes attempt at successfully filling a spot that can be exploited as the true God.

I just have never figured out why that is NOT beautiful to people , It Is to Me!

Because it is too nebulous for most to get their arms around. Therefore there must be A God to explain all of it.
 
“I do not believe that the systems we are talking about are life as we know it. We need to define the criteria for what we think of as life much more clearly.”


Throw this in the face of all the people who talked to who took 8 ambigiously produced "scientific" definitions of life, said a zygote met all of them, and then yelled at me that I believed in "murder".

That is what makes it new and uneque.

it is NOT life as we know it, but something different. The life of a plant is far removed from th life of an animal.
 
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