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For the record, Damocles thinks it inappropriate for the President of the United States to deliver a speech to schoolchildren but thinks it's A-OK for John Stossel to do the same.

Keep up the good work, Damo!
 
For the record, Damocles thinks it inappropriate for the President of the United States to deliver a speech to schoolchildren but thinks it's A-OK for John Stossel to do the same.

Keep up the good work, Damo!

LOL you're a joke. Why don't you find us a transcript of the lesson so we can see what you object to? Douchebag libtard
 
Yes. Again, I said...

"You have no idea if these videos cover his political opinion, therefore this is an ad hom based in ignorance"

The reality is, if they were overtly political Huffpo, the ACLU or some other political entity would have been all over them like white on rice by now. These videos have been out for a while.

If thinly veiled questions like the ones listed below are present throughout the tape, it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out which way Stossel "leans".


"Minimum Wage" Ideas for Further Discussion in Classroom:

1. Summarize what John is saying about minimum wage. Do you believe minimum wage could hurt some potential workers? Why or why not?

2. If you believe what John says about the minimum wage, would that mean that any minimum wage—no matter what the level—would hurt at least some potential workers?

3. Do you think there should be a minimum wage? If so, at what level? Why?

4. What do you think motivates politicians to pass minimum wage laws? What motivates unions to lobby for them?

5. Do you think you've ever been a victim of minimum wage laws? Have you ever benefited from minimum wage rules?
 
For the record, Damocles thinks it inappropriate for the President of the United States to deliver a speech to schoolchildren but thinks it's A-OK for John Stossel to do the same.

Keep up the good work, Damo!
You are simply assigning an opinion to me that doesn't exist. The very epitome of straw man. Hacktacularly disingenuous.

Keep up the good work, Dungheap!
 
If thinly veiled questions like the ones listed below are present throughout the tape, it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out which way Stossel "leans".


"Minimum Wage" Ideas for Further Discussion in Classroom:

1. Summarize what John is saying about minimum wage. Do you believe minimum wage could hurt some potential workers? Why or why not?

2. If you believe what John says about the minimum wage, would that mean that any minimum wage—no matter what the level—would hurt at least some potential workers?

3. Do you think there should be a minimum wage? If so, at what level? Why?

4. What do you think motivates politicians to pass minimum wage laws? What motivates unions to lobby for them?

5. Do you think you've ever been a victim of minimum wage laws? Have you ever benefited from minimum wage rules?
This is a better presentation. First it is based on something in the video, not knee-jerk reaction to a name, like Dungheap.

You shouldn't take what I say to somebody else so personally. However, I will note you reacted before you had any information, somebody else had to post a tiny portion of the questions in the video before you could come up with something even minutely informed. I suspect you have no idea what is in the videos still and just want to trash Stossel, I can understand that.

Until you had something that somebody more informed presented you too were just mentally masturbating to a name, not actually doing mental gymnastics with information.
 
He just doesn't have a background in education. All it looks like is some cheap libertarian propaganda attempt.

Libertarian arguments sound compelling until you actually look at them for more than five seconds, so if all he's going to do is pound kids with the libertarian arguments and present no other side (which would automatically intellectually destroy the libertarian side in pretty much all instances) he should be banned from American classrooms.
If you had equal objection to showing the Goreacle's flick I may be on your side. As it stands, IF (5 questions are not quite enough to make that judgment) the whole of the videos are propaganda attempts and are shown in any other way than as propaganda attempts then I do agree with you, even though you wouldn't object to or even stand with somebody for your own propaganda machine being presented in the school.
 
This is a better presentation. First it is based on something in the video, not knee-jerk reaction to a name, like Dungheap.

You shouldn't take what I say to somebody else so personally. However, I will note you reacted before you had any information, somebody else had to post the questions in the video before you could come up with something even minutely informed...

\Until you had something that somebody more informed presented you too were just mentally masturbating to a name, not actually doing mental gymnastics with information.


Yeah, I was way off base in thinking that Stossel in the Classroom DVDs would feature the same glibertarian horseshit that is John Stossel's body of work when, upon looking into the content, it appears that the Stossel in the Classroom DVDs are the same glibertarian horseshit that Stossel has been peddling for decades.

As I said, when you know a person's body of work it is not always necessary to assess everything they publish with a fresh eyes and a clean slate. My reaction to Stossel in the classroom was based on my knowledge of Stossel's career and my reaction was correct.

Damocles, if you want to approach everything new a person writes without taking into account your knowledge of what that person has written before, feel free to do so. But it's silly to require the same of everyone else.
 
Now I'm not saying this directly in response to the questions Stossel laid out here because someone could questions in front of me that I'd have the same response to. But in theory isn't this idea what we want taught in schools, challenging kids to think? For example politicians who want to reduce drug sentences etc. often get smoked (no pun intended) politically for being labeled soft on crime but does that mean we wouldn't want kids to have a discussion on ways to deal with drugs other than just throwing people in jail?



I know what you're trying to say, but you're way off the reservation here.

Extremist libertarian crackpot ideas don’t merit having lesson plans in the classroom, based on the flimsy excuse of providing "balance".

That’s what creation scientists argue, that their crackpot ideas must be presented in the interest of “balance’.

It’s laughable. Stossel isn’t an educator. He’s a crackpot Rontard. There’s nobody outside the wingnutosphere, and fringe rightwing message board posters who are calling for the abolishment of the minimum wage. For God’s sake Cawacko, I don’t even think there are any national republicans calling for it’s abolishment. Every single developed nation on the planet has some kind of living wage laws, and the US minimum wage law is one of the most popular laws ever passed. There’s no dissent about it, outside the rightwing editorial pages. When did we present crackpot, fringe ideologues in a classroom to debate their crazy ideas as if they have an ounce of legitimacy? Do lesson plans by Reverand Sun Yung Moon belong in the class?

Not to mention the loaded teabagger language Stoessel provides in his “lesson plans”. Pure crackpot partisanship, on far rightwing issues that don’t have a constituency outside the extremist fringes of the rightwing opinion columns. That’s not education, man. That’s a Rontard trying to make a quick buck and have a captive audience for his laughable and outlandish ideas.
 
If you had equal objection to showing the Goreacle's flick I may be on your side. .

Totally laughable.

Al Gore is a former Vice President of the United States who presented scientific information that is overwhelmingly accepted by the climate science community. It's not fringe, it's not even controversial in any significant way, in the climate science community.

John Stossel is a virtually unknown (outside of message boards) libertarian extremist whack job, who's ideas are so unpopular and discredited, that if they were ever adopted and run on as the GOP national platform, would result in the utter destruction of the republican party.


You're trying to draw comparisons that aren't even close to being in the same universe.
 
I just love how all these 'educators' on the board seem to believe that only those with education degrees should be allowed to produce effective materials for lesson plans.

While I used the Stossel videos for a couple classes that liked arguing about current events, I use NYTimes Lesson Plans at least every other week and have for years. It depends on the class and where they are what outside materials I use. Most I write myself.
 
Yeah, I was way off base in thinking that Stossel in the Classroom DVDs would feature the same glibertarian horseshit that is John Stossel's body of work when, upon looking into the content, it appears that the Stossel in the Classroom DVDs are the same glibertarian horseshit that Stossel has been peddling for decades.

As I said, when you know a person's body of work it is not always necessary to assess everything they publish with a fresh eyes and a clean slate. My reaction to Stossel in the classroom was based on my knowledge of Stossel's career and my reaction was correct.

Damocles, if you want to approach everything new a person writes without taking into account your knowledge of what that person has written before, feel free to do so. But it's silly to require the same of everyone else.
What content? The five whole questions?

Yeah, I'll bet if somebody was talking about some e-mail that talks about changing data from a scientist you would say that they should wait for more information.

*sigh*

Where was your "outrage" when the Goreacle was thrust on children in DVD form?
 
Totally laughable.

Al Gore is a former Vice President of the United States who presented scientific information that is overwhelmingly accepted by the climate science community. It's not fringe, it's not even controversial in any significant way, in the climate science community.

John Stossel is a virtually unknown (outside of message boards) libertarian extremist whack job, who's ideas are so unpopular and discredited, that if they were ever adopted and run on as the GOP national platform, would result in the utter destruction of the republican party.


You're trying to draw comparisons that aren't even close to being in the same universe.

and all people with "wisdom" have never been on the fringe...they have always been men of power....good lord, no unknown could ever have any knowledge or prove any scientific theory......
 
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