The 99ers Stories

KingCondanomation

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I spent some time reading hundreds of stories (1052) from "the 99ers", that is those whose 99 weeks of unemployment are up or almost up. I guess mostly I was curious about who they were and were there really a lot of professionals?
http://jobsearch.about.com/u/sty/unemployment/unemployedstory/

At first I was sympathetic and I saw the occasional story here and there which justified that but most did not. Some observations:

1. A lot of older people, like between 50 to 60. They often automatically claim age discrimination, which is interesting because I've often heard younger people claiming they can't get jobs because there is older people with experience.
They can't both be right.

2. Some people claiming they cannot get a job doing what they do, but they don't mention trying for something less? If you are about to lose everything wouldn't you accept less?

3. There are many who do say they tried for something less or even basic like fast food and Walmart but were overqualified and couldn't get hired. Well why not omit the work experience that makes you look overqualified? You can't lie on a resume and put false info but there is nothing wrong with omitting information. Certainly if you really are desperate you would at least give it a try.

4. Many of them blame illegal immigrants. Some wars and/or foreign aid. They often bring up this fantasy of how our country helps everyone but them.

5. Almost all are homeowners or at least they say they are going to lose their home, I can't say I remember hardly any apartment dwellers. The point is, it's not a choice between being thrown out on the street and keeping your home. Sell it for what you can and get in an apartment. Yes the market sucks and you won't get much but if the choice is really between being truly homeless and clinging on to a house you can never keep, the choice is pretty obvious.

6. Many are angry at "current politicians" and want benefits extended more, do they really believe that a few more weeks is going to change anything? That when jobs finally do start coming, if at all, that they are going to be the first ones hired being out of work so much longer than the people unemployed briefly? Do you think an extension would really matter?

7. That being said, most seem all too ready to vote back Obama and support anyone who will extend their benefits. They are totally dependent on government and will support politicians they claim to be upset with. Almost none of them spare a thought to thinking that maybe if they supported politicians who want to cut taxes and cut regulations and cut spending that it would create a much more favorable job-creating investment environment.

8. Many stories involving some asshole boss or evil "greedy" corporation that they just couldn't stand or caught stealing or conspiring co-workers and it was never their fault when it didn't work out. Like these are reasons to just leave and sit on unemployment in the first place or not look for another job while you have one.

9. Not too many professionals, about 15% - 20% I'd say.

10. Many are angry at people who are employed and seem to have this attitude that we should be doing more for them or forgot them or owe them.
You'd be surprised how much some of them really take this:
http://jobsearch.about.com/u/sty/un...I-ve-Been-Looking-For-a-Job-For-Two-Years.htm

11. A fair amount of religious people, nothing wrong with that, but their advice seems to be to just put their faith in God and that's it. They seem somewhat divorced from the reality that religion is there to help inspire/comfort you, not actually go out and land a job in your lap.

12. None of them want to move, I understand with home prices down they are less mobile than in other times but still, if you are in say Michigan industrial area with crazy unemployment, you're gonna be holding out a long time. My Dad had to move us due to job issues, it happens, and it sets you back but you can't just stay and cling to false hope. Certainly in the past, people moved with far less wealth.


There are some positive people and that aren't giving up, I also noticed they don't seem to be the ones begging for (IMHO useless) benefit extensions, but too many you just see feeling like they deserve endless help and act like they are forsaken.
Overall I am glad I did not support extensions to benefits and that the money should be used to lower the deficit.
 
Right another important point I forgot, some of these people will NOT take a job because it would be less that they would get from unemployment or they would no longer qualify for this or that benefit. The system to some degree really does encourage dependence.
 
Right another important point I forgot, some of these people will NOT take a job because it would be less that they would get from unemployment or they would no longer qualify for this or that benefit. The system to some degree really does encourage dependence.

To some extent I would agree that it encourages dependence but would it not be foolish to take a job for less that one could draw in unemployment when most are barely, if even, making ends meet on that unemployment?

I am not ever going to begrudge someone on unemployment for what they draw for a while...be it 99 weeks or whatever. I do know the unemployment extensions helped my father-in-law immensely during the time he was forced to "retire" from GM until he could draw full benefits of SS. He was able to keep his place that was almost paid off and now can really retire and not worry too much. Call me a socialist but I do think some government programs are good. I am not blind to think they won't be abused though...that is why there needs to be good oversight of such programs.
 
To some extent I would agree that it encourages dependence but would it not be foolish to take a job for less that one could draw in unemployment when most are barely, if even, making ends meet on that unemployment?
You could make the same argument about welfare. My first roommate's mother gave me the same argument about keeping her social housing (ie: would not qualify for it if she worked).
These are not arguments to say that life isn't hard with taking the job, just that government benefits should never be higher than what a job would pay.

I am not ever going to begrudge someone on unemployment for what they draw for a while...be it 99 weeks or whatever. I do know the unemployment extensions helped my father-in-law immensely during the time he was forced to "retire" from GM until he could draw full benefits of SS. He was able to keep his place that was almost paid off and now can really retire and not worry too much. Call me a socialist but I do think some government programs are good. I am not blind to think they won't be abused though...that is why there needs to be good oversight of such programs.
But what about the flipside, suppose he had never paid unemployment insurance? He may well have had that extra money in retirement to tide over til SS.
There is oversight and the government expects people to take jobs, but they are not tracking every email or letter or call you get from employers. Put simply there is no way short of government destroying your civil liberties by spying on you 24-7, that the government can make sure there is no abuse by people passing up jobs because life although not as great as it used to be on unemployment is better than another lesser job.

In a way that compassion could and has hurt some of them more - by biding their time til they are truly desperate, they are out of work so long that they become outdated in their experience. At the end when it is near running out, it's too late for them.
 
I would still argue that you cannot expect someone to take less money than they would receive in benefits....whatever the benefit....when they are barely making it as is, but in the same breath, though there are abusers, too many who really need help wouldn't get it if we just all of a sudden did away with beneficial programs.

I think we both agree that we need to cut government spending somewhere as the answer cannot always be to raise taxes...but I'll be the first to admit that I am not smart enough to figure out where.
 
I missed Danecdotes.

Well keep on missing them then, I read 1052 different stories, that kind of goes a little bit beyond anecdotal and what's more they aren't even my anecdotes - they are 1052 different people's anecdotes.

I feel so bad for you that you have spent your whole life in the bubble of privileged academia that you aren't ever able to contribute any anecdotes of your own because you have no real life experience.
But then where would Liberalism be today without any of it's fantasy like view of how the world is with the poor. We'd be without all those wonderful poverty protests with nothing but middle-upper class Liberal college kids in them and no one in any actual poverty and oh yes, your common Liberal trait of using sneering dismissals of anything that contrives with your fairy-tale view of what poverty means.
 
Well keep on missing them then, I read 1052 different stories, that kind of goes a little bit beyond anecdotal and what's more they aren't even my anecdotes - they are 1052 different people's anecdotes.

I feel so bad for you that you have spent your whole life in the bubble of privileged academia that you aren't ever able to contribute any anecdotes of your own because you have no real life experience.
But then where would Liberalism be today without any of it's fantasy like view of how the world is with the poor. We'd be without all those wonderful poverty protests with nothing but middle-upper class Liberal college kids in them and no one in any actual poverty and oh yes, your common Liberal trait of using sneering dismissals of anything that contrives with your fairy-tale view of what poverty means.


The plural of anecdote is not "data." There are over 1.2 million 99ers as near as I recall. Studying the self-reported stories of an exceedingly small portion of the to draw broad conclusions about the group is pretty silly.
 
The plural of anecdote is not "data." There are over 1.2 million 99ers as near as I recall. Studying the self-reported stories of an exceedingly small portion of the to draw broad conclusions about the group is pretty silly.

Only if that small sample group was too small or the stories were not from a broad amount of different people. Contrast it in context, there are phone surveys that survey just a few hundred people out of hundreds of millions to sample election predictions that are not that far off.

Also self-reported stories are going to be as honest as you can get, rather than filtered through say the view of a journalist who knows they will get better ratings by playing up the suffering as it's well known people respond more to negative stories.
As a big example of that which I found out, when you turn on the news or read of the unemployed, you often see them talking or writing about the professional with a degree and huge home who never thought this would happen to someone like them - when in reality that, though not rare, is certainly nowhere near the norm.

You don't know what you are talking about.
 
I'll give you an honest antedotal story since I'm about to be one of the 99'ers. I got laid off in February 2009 with the investment real estate market went to hell. I didn't apply for unemployment right away because I thought I would find a job quickly and it was a pride thing. I didn't want to be receiving checks from the government. Well after three months of realizing there were not jobs out there and the few I could find I was competing with Ivy League and Wharton MBA types I started thinking I might be f*cked. So I applied for unemployment and have been receiving it since.

In the meantime I've been hustling and doing things real estate related to make money but no official 9 to 5 job. Now I'm doing work for a fund which has big potential upside but isn't paying anything in the meantime. Benefits run out in a month or two. Will have to face a real decision then.
 
I'll give you an honest antedotal story since I'm about to be one of the 99'ers. I got laid off in February 2009 with the investment real estate market went to hell. I didn't apply for unemployment right away because I thought I would find a job quickly and it was a pride thing. I didn't want to be receiving checks from the government. Well after three months of realizing there were not jobs out there and the few I could find I was competing with Ivy League and Wharton MBA types I started thinking I might be f*cked. So I applied for unemployment and have been receiving it since.

In the meantime I've been hustling and doing things real estate related to make money but no official 9 to 5 job. Now I'm doing work for a fund which has big potential upside but isn't paying anything in the meantime. Benefits run out in a month or two. Will have to face a real decision then.

Cawacko, I hope something really good comes through for you before then. Even though you are a republican prick, you have always been basically my favorite republican prick. At times, the only Republican I could even bear to talk to.

You're a good guy, just deeply, deeply, misguided. :) Good luck Cawacko.
 
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Cawacko, I hope something really good comes through for you before then. Even though you are a republican prick, you have always been basically my favorite republican prick. At times, the only Republican I could even bear to talk to.

You're a good guy, just deeply, deeply, misguided. :) Good luck Cawacko.[/QUOTE

That was very romantical. Thank you Darla. :)
 
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Cawacko, I hope something really good comes through for you before then. Even though you are a republican prick, you have always been basically my favorite republican prick. At times, the only Republican I could even bear to talk to.

You're a good guy, just deeply, deeply, misguided. :) Good luck Cawacko.[/QUOTE

That was very romantical. Thank you Darla. :)

LOL :)
 
Dano, you have too much fucking time on your hands. Get a job!!!

Oh, and welcome back...


Darla, your neglect is making me weep. :cry:

Get in line young'en, I've been working on Darla for years! She's just been playing hard to get. Hopefully this decade not so much so.
 
Get in line young'en, I've been working on Darla for years! She's just been playing hard to get. Hopefully this decade not so much so.

I'm getting older - I bet that by the time I hit 65 you and me hook up. LOL

Remember when you drunkenly posted that you wanted to fly me to San Francisco and we both never heard the end of it from you know who? Or actually, I think he just ramped up his abuse of your reading comprehension, and I had to hear about it on this end. blah blah blah, why do you flirt with him? blah blah blah
 
I'm getting older - I bet that by the time I hit 65 you and me hook up. LOL

Remember when you drunkenly posted that you wanted to fly me to San Francisco and we both never heard the end of it from you know who? Or actually, I think he just ramped up his abuse of your reading comprehension, and I had to hear about it on this end. blah blah blah, why do you flirt with him? blah blah blah

LOL, yeah I remember that and am still sensitive about my reading comprehension! Haha...
 
To some extent I would agree that it encourages dependence but would it not be foolish to take a job for less that one could draw in unemployment when most are barely, if even, making ends meet on that unemployment?

I am not ever going to begrudge someone on unemployment for what they draw for a while...be it 99 weeks or whatever. I do know the unemployment extensions helped my father-in-law immensely during the time he was forced to "retire" from GM until he could draw full benefits of SS. He was able to keep his place that was almost paid off and now can really retire and not worry too much. Call me a socialist but I do think some government programs are good. I am not blind to think they won't be abused though...that is why there needs to be good oversight of such programs.

for the first 6 months, unemployment insurance is just that, an insurance paid for - after that it is the federal governments decision to pay it and yes, it does pay better that minimum wage...but not much
 
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