The Administrative State

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https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/the-confederate-roots-of-the-administrative-state/

Since talk of the Deep State has been a thing for the past four years, I think some of you might enjoy some historical theory on the subject.

Dan McLaughlin said:
The administrative state has grown explosively in America over the past century, almost entirely without roots in our Constitution. Bureaucratic, unelected, managerial government in America had a surprising birthplace: the Confederate States of America. It would ultimately be imported into the theory and practice of the federal government by a son of the Confederacy: Woodrow Wilson.
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Chaz said:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/07/the-confederate-roots-of-the-administrative-state/

Since talk of the Deep State has been a thing for the past four years, I think some of you might enjoy some historical theory on the subject.
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The big federal government bureaucracy and administrative state started with FDR and the passage of the 16th Amendment to the Constitution giving the federal government the Right to tax income. Without the later, the federal government wouldn't have the means to become a big bloated bureaucracy first created by FDR and his New Deal. Since then, it has expanded nearly continuously.

The next major expansion was LBJ and his "Great Society" welfare state that introduced Medicaid / Medicare, among other things. His "Model Cities Program" was another colossal waste of money. It doomed many Democrat led cities to massive failure, like Detroit.

Then Nixon created more bureaucracy including two of the worst today that started off as great ideas: The EPA and OSHA.

Carter created the Department of Education among other disasters.

Bush II, DHS.

But, it all takes money, and without that amendment FDR passed, it wouldn't be possible.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The big federal government bureaucracy and administrative state started with FDR and the passage of the 16th Amendment to the Constitution giving the federal government the Right to tax income. Without the later, the federal government wouldn't have the means to become a big bloated bureaucracy first created by FDR and his New Deal. Since then, it has expanded nearly continuously.

The next major expansion was LBJ and his "Great Society" welfare state that introduced Medicaid / Medicare, among other things. His "Model Cities Program" was another colossal waste of money. It doomed many Democrat led cities to massive failure, like Detroit.

Then Nixon created more bureaucracy including two of the worst today that started off as great ideas: The EPA and OSHA.

Carter created the Department of Education among other disasters.

Bush II, DHS.

But, it all takes money, and without that amendment FDR passed, it wouldn't be possible.
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If you hate America go back to Russia.
 
jacksonsprat22 said:
No. You're not my 7th grade teacher assigning homework. Make your argument or you have nothing.
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The article compares the unitary executive to the entrenched administrative state. During the Civil War, Lincoln played the role of the unitary executive. The CSA Constitution, meanwhile, prohibited the president from firing any official except department heads, unless he submitted written reasons of cause to Congress. The CSA also created an insane bureaucracy during its short existence.

Wilson, who was sympathetic to the CSA, sought to create the modern administrative state, and was also distainful of Congress and popular sovereignty.

Mostly, it's just a comparison that ponders what our government might look like if the Constitution was written more like that of the CSA (which also provided for a single-term president elected for six years).
 
jacksonsprat22 said:
Then you'd be in an extreme minority who hates Medicare and Medicaid.
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Hardly an extreme or a minority... Both could be replaced with something far better or eliminated entirely. There is no valid reason we need the government running health insurance any more than it should be running flood insurance--which it does, and badly.

A new poll finds that about only one in 10 registered voters want the equivalent of Medicare for all if it means abolishing private health insurance plans.
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https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-ame...want-the-government-to-provide-healthcare-for

Many progressive commentators and politicians claim that “Medicare for All,” or its more general counterpart, “Universal coverage,” is popular among voters. Poll after poll appear to suggest the same thing – except upon closer inspection, that’s not quite the case.
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/poll...all-if-it-eliminates-private-health-insurance

People don't want it and sure as hell don't want more of it. The average person thinks the government is a total screw up when it comes to stuff like that. I totally agree with that sentiment.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The big federal government bureaucracy and administrative state started with FDR and the passage of the 16th Amendment to the Constitution giving the federal government the Right to tax income. Without the later, the federal government wouldn't have the means to become a big bloated bureaucracy first created by FDR and his New Deal. Since then, it has expanded nearly continuously.

The next major expansion was LBJ and his "Great Society" welfare state that introduced Medicaid / Medicare, among other things. His "Model Cities Program" was another colossal waste of money. It doomed many Democrat led cities to massive failure, like Detroit.

Then Nixon created more bureaucracy including two of the worst today that started off as great ideas: The EPA and OSHA.

Carter created the Department of Education among other disasters.

Bush II, DHS.

But, it all takes money, and without that amendment FDR passed, it wouldn't be possible.
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The Amendment was ratified in 1913, which was the year Wilson took office. FDR's political ascendency began during the Wilson Administration, when he followed in Teddy's footsteps to become Assistant Secretary of the Navy.
 
jacksonsprat22 said:
False. And most of the world has some form of Universal Care. I mean...the world ain't flat, ok?
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That's nothing but a logical fallacy called appeal to popularity. In the sense of a common phrase, it's the equivalent of your mom asking you, "If everyone was jumping off a cliff would you do it too?"

The world may not be flat, but it is full of lazy, stupid people and tyrants that love a good dictatorship of virtue.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That's nothing but a logical fallacy called appeal to popularity. In the sense of a common phrase, it's the equivalent of your mom asking you, "If everyone was jumping off a cliff would you do it too?"

The world may not be flat, but it is full of lazy, stupid people and tyrants that love a good dictatorship of virtue.
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shut up with that fallacy crap. that's for high school debate. do better
 
Chaz said:
The Amendment was ratified in 1913, which was the year Wilson took office. FDR's political ascendency began during the Wilson Administration, when he followed in Teddy's footsteps to become Assistant Secretary of the Navy.
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You needed two things to make big government. The first is a tax base or other way to raise huge piles of money off society. The 16th Amendment did that. The second is a reason or crisis to implement that big government. FDR had that. The New Deal was the beginning of big federal government in the US.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
You needed two things to make big government. The first is a tax base or other way to raise huge piles of money off society. The 16th Amendment did that. The second is a reason or crisis to implement that big government. FDR had that. The New Deal was the beginning of big federal government in the US.
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It started with Wilson. He'd been arguing for it before he ever became president.
 
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