The Arab-Israeli conflicts - A perspective in search of a solution

[Dutch Uncle]

On another thread, the subject of Gaza and the Palestinians came up. Those who study history know that this has been going for over 75 years when Israel declared independence from the Brits and five Arab nations attacked them. What followed were several Arab-Israeli wars with the US supporting Israel and the Soviet Union supporting the Arabs and, later, by Iran.

The wars were primarily conventional until Israel acquired nukes then the conflicts became unconventional AKA asymmetrical warfare AKA terrorism.

Israel has effectively been at war since 1948. After decades of US and other nations failing to broker a peace, Israel become more right-winged, meaning more aggressive, in countering and putting a stop to the murder of its citizens by Palestinian terrorists. While I don't agree with all of their tactics, specifically the settlements in violation of international agreement, I understand Israel's desperation to stop terrorist attacks upon their citizens, both Jewish and Muslim.

Arab-Israeli wars | History, Conflict, Causes, Summary, & Facts | Britannica

Arab-Israeli wars are a series of military conflicts between Israeli forces and various Arab forces, most notably in 1948–49, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982, 2006, and 2023–present. These have included Israel’s War of Independence and the Palestinian Nakba, the Suez Crisis, the Six-Day War, the Yom...

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After decades of confrontations between Arabs and Jews under the British mandate of Palestine, where both communities sought self-determination after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in 1922, the United Kingdom announced its intention in 1947 to withdraw its forces from Palestine and endorsed United Nations Resolution 181, which partitioned the British mandate into a Jewish state and an Arab state. The plan, although accepted by the international community, was rejected by the Arabs, and in May 1948, as British forces withdrew, Israel was born in a region with unresolved disputes over borders, security, land ownership, and other matters. Since that time, Israel has fought a number of conflicts with various Arab forces, most notably in 1948–49, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982, 2006, and 2023–present. This article focuses on those conflicts with significant consequences for the broader Middle East region. For coverage of clashes specific to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, see Israel, Palestine, intifada, and Gaza Strip.

 

[Truth Detector]

On another thread, the subject of Gaza and the Palestinians came up. Those who study history know that this has been going for over 75 years when Israel declared independence from the Brits and five Arab nations attacked them. What followed were several Arab-Israeli wars with the US supporting Israel and the Soviet Union supporting the Arabs and, later, by Iran.

The wars were primarily conventional until Israel acquired nukes then the conflicts became unconventional AKA asymmetrical warfare AKA terrorism.

Israel has effectively been at war since 1948. After decades of US and other nations failing to broker a peace, Israel become more right-winged, meaning more aggressive, in countering and putting a stop to the murder of its citizens by Palestinian terrorists. While I don't agree with all of their tactics, specifically the settlements in violation of international agreement, I understand Israel's desperation to stop terrorist attacks upon their citizens, both Jewish and Muslim.

Arab-Israeli wars | History, Conflict, Causes, Summary, & Facts | Britannica

Arab-Israeli wars are a series of military conflicts between Israeli forces and various Arab forces, most notably in 1948–49, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982, 2006, and 2023–present. These have included Israel’s War of Independence and the Palestinian Nakba, the Suez Crisis, the Six-Day War, the Yom...

www.britannica.com

After decades of confrontations between Arabs and Jews under the British mandate of Palestine, where both communities sought self-determination after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in 1922, the United Kingdom announced its intention in 1947 to withdraw its forces from Palestine and endorsed United Nations Resolution 181, which partitioned the British mandate into a Jewish state and an Arab state. The plan, although accepted by the international community, was rejected by the Arabs, and in May 1948, as British forces withdrew, Israel was born in a region with unresolved disputes over borders, security, land ownership, and other matters. Since that time, Israel has fought a number of conflicts with various Arab forces, most notably in 1948–49, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982, 2006, and 2023–present. This article focuses on those conflicts with significant consequences for the broader Middle East region. For coverage of clashes specific to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, see Israel, Palestine, intifada, and Gaza Strip.

What is your point? You support the Israeli's attempt to destroy Hamas once and for all?

Correction: France was supplying weapons to the Arabs. US only stepped in on Israels side because we finally recognized Israel's right to exist in the former Palestinian Territories.

It was never about Palestine. It was about Arab hatred for the Jews. There never was a country called Palestine. The nations of Syria, Jordan and parts of Iraq were all part of the former Palestinian territories before Britain carved them into Kingdoms. The Palestinian cause is merely an excuse to prolong Arab hatred.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

“With Washington’s support, Israel refused the [1976] good-faith Palestinian proposal. Choosing expansion over peace, it has done so ever since”

Israel has rejected every offer from Palestinians for a two-state solution

Pegging the fulfilment of Palestinian rights to a negotiated agreement Israel is committed to ensuring never happens has enabled the occupation to relentlessly march on

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The bias of Middle East Eye aside, I find it very interesting that there are multiple references by both pro-Palestinians/anti-Israelis and Middle East Eye to June 1967.

This time period was also known as the Six-Day War where, due to attacks by Palestinian terrorists and the buildup of Arab forces, presumably to attack Israel again, Israel struck first. During the conflict Israel captured a lot of Arab territory most of which it gave back in exchange for peace with Egypt, Syria and Jordan. Since peace couldn't be achieved with the Palestinians, the Gaza and West Bank territories remained under Israeli control.

Six-Day War | Definition, Causes, History, Summary, Outcomes, & Facts | Britannica

Six-Day War is a brief Arab-Israeli war that took place June 5–10, 1967. After months of escalation, Israel conducted a preemptive air assault demobilizing its neighbors’ air force capabilities, allowing it a quick and decisive victory. The war had lasting impact on diplomatic engagement between...

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Prior to the start of the war, attacks conducted against Israel by fledgling Palestinian guerrilla groups based in Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan had increased, leading to costly Israeli reprisals. In November 1966 an Israeli strike on the village of Al-Samūʿ in the Jordanian West Bank left 18 dead and 54 wounded, and, during an air battle with Syria in April 1967, the Israeli Air Force shot down six Syrian MiG fighter jets. In addition, Soviet intelligence reports in May indicated that Israel was planning a campaign against Syria, and, although inaccurate, the information further heightened tensions between Israel and its Arab neighbors...

...In response to the apparent mobilization of its Arab neighbors, early on the morning of June 5, Israel staged a sudden preemptive air assault that destroyed more than 90 percent Egypt’s air force on the tarmac. A similar air assault incapacitated the Syrian air force. Without cover from the air, the Egyptian army was left vulnerable to attack. Within three days the Israelis had achieved an overwhelming victory on the ground, capturing the Gaza Strip and all of the Sinai Peninsula up to the east bank of the Suez Canal....

...Aftermath and legacy​

The Arab countries’ losses in the conflict were disastrous. Egypt’s casualties numbered more than 11,000, with 6,000 for Jordan and 1,000 for Syria, compared with only 700 for Israel. The Arab armies also suffered crippling losses of weaponry and equipment. The lopsidedness of the defeat demoralized both the Arab public and the political elite. Nasser announced his resignation on June 9 but quickly yielded to mass demonstrations calling for him to remain in office. In Israel, which had proved beyond question that it was the region’s preeminent military power, there was euphoria.

The Six-Day War also marked the start of a new phase in the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians, since the conflict created hundreds of thousands of refugees and brought more than one million Palestinians in the occupied territories under Israeli rule. Months after the war, in November, the United Nations passed UN Resolution 242, which called for Israel’s withdrawal from the territories it had captured in the war in exchange for lasting peace. That resolution became the basis for diplomatic efforts between Israel and its neighbors, including the Camp David Accords with Egypt and the push for a two-state solution with the Palestinians.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

What is your point? You support the Israeli's attempt to destroy Hamas once and for all?

I support neutralizing all terrorists, both foreign and domestic.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Yes, Iran- in fact any law-abiding anti-Zionist country- should have the weaponry required to force Israel- and by association the US of AIPAC- to end all thoughts of conquest/hegemony and show the world some manners and respect.
An Iran with nukes would not attack Israel or the US of AIPAC- because both have nukes. An Iran WITHOUT nukes is next on the Zionist/US of AIPAC plunder list- no matter what Iran does to appease their criminal intent.
Russia, China, North Korea, India, Pakistan are all safe from Zionist/US of AIPAC attack.

Interesting that you seek to increase the number of nukes in the ME.

Odd too since, IIRC, you're anti-gun in the US/Canada. IIrony

 

[moon]

Interesting that you seek to increase the number of nukes in the ME.

Odd too since, IIRC, you're anti-gun in the US/Canada. IIrony

Dumbass thinks that nukes and handguns should be subject to the same rules ^

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Dumbass thinks that nukes and handguns should be subject to the same rules ^

Wrong again, Ms. Moon. What you are too silly to understand is the logic behind self-defense. If you were less emotional and more logical, you'd understand that I actually agree that Iran wants nukes to prevent conventional invasion just like Israel proved.

The problem isn't Iran's use of nukes as self-defense just like all homeowners should have the right to have weapons for self-defense, but that Iran would use her nuclear umbrella to continue fomenting terrorism around the region.

Additionally, once Iran has nukes it will create a nuclear arms race in the ME with Saudi Arabia the most likely to acquire them next. The situation in India and Pakistan is always at risk of a nuclear exchange. If that happens, it won't help with the Climate Change problems. LOL

 

[Phantasmal]

Again, the pro Israel propaganda is extreme in Western media.

Thousands of Israeli nationalists chant 'death to Arabs' during annual procession through Jerusalem

Chanting “Death to Arabs” and singing “May your village burn,” groups of young Israeli Jews made their way through Muslim neighborhoods of Jerusalem’s Old City

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“Thousands of Israeli nationalists chant ‘death to Arabs’ during annual procession through Jerusalem”​

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Again, the pro Israel propaganda is extreme in Western media.

Thousands of Israeli nationalists chant 'death to Arabs' during annual procession through Jerusalem

Chanting “Death to Arabs” and singing “May your village burn,” groups of young Israeli Jews made their way through Muslim neighborhoods of Jerusalem’s Old City

apnews.com

“Thousands of Israeli nationalists chant ‘death to Arabs’ during annual procession through Jerusalem”​

After 77 years of constant attack, the Israelis are becoming militant. Sad.

There have been UN peacekeepers in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and other Arab nations except Gaza and the West Bank. Why the difference?

Why won't any Arab nations open their doors to Palestinian refugees like they did for Syrian refugees?

Egypt blocked their border to prevent fleeing Palestinian refugees from crossing the border. Biden had to bribe them into opening that gate and, even then, it was limited. Why the difference? What makes Palestinians so different that other Arab nations don't want to take them in?

 

[Guno צְבִי]

On another thread, the subject of Gaza and the Palestinians came up. Those who study history know that this has been going for over 75 years when Israel declared independence from the Brits and five Arab nations attacked them. What followed were several Arab-Israeli wars with the US supporting Israel and the Soviet Union supporting the Arabs and, later, by Iran.

The wars were primarily conventional until Israel acquired nukes then the conflicts became unconventional AKA asymmetrical warfare AKA terrorism.

Israel has effectively been at war since 1948. After decades of US and other nations failing to broker a peace, Israel become more right-winged, meaning more aggressive, in countering and putting a stop to the murder of its citizens by Palestinian terrorists. While I don't agree with all of their tactics, specifically the settlements in violation of international agreement, I understand Israel's desperation to stop terrorist attacks upon their citizens, both Jewish and Muslim.

Arab-Israeli wars | History, Conflict, Causes, Summary, & Facts | Britannica

Arab-Israeli wars are a series of military conflicts between Israeli forces and various Arab forces, most notably in 1948–49, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982, 2006, and 2023–present. These have included Israel’s War of Independence and the Palestinian Nakba, the Suez Crisis, the Six-Day War, the Yom...

www.britannica.com

After decades of confrontations between Arabs and Jews under the British mandate of Palestine, where both communities sought self-determination after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in 1922, the United Kingdom announced its intention in 1947 to withdraw its forces from Palestine and endorsed United Nations Resolution 181, which partitioned the British mandate into a Jewish state and an Arab state. The plan, although accepted by the international community, was rejected by the Arabs, and in May 1948, as British forces withdrew, Israel was born in a region with unresolved disputes over borders, security, land ownership, and other matters. Since that time, Israel has fought a number of conflicts with various Arab forces, most notably in 1948–49, 1956, 1967, 1973, 1982, 2006, and 2023–present. This article focuses on those conflicts with significant consequences for the broader Middle East region. For coverage of clashes specific to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, see Israel, Palestine, intifada, and Gaza Strip.

As long as there are players like Hamas who calls for the slaughter of all Jews in their charter ,,,,no peace for them

 

[Phantasmal]

After 77 years of constant attack, the Israelis are becoming militant. Sad.

There have been UN peacekeepers in Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and other Arab nations except Gaza and the West Bank. Why the difference?

Why won't any Arab nations open their doors to Palestinian refugees like they did for Syrian refugees?

Egypt blocked their border to prevent fleeing Palestinian refugees from crossing the border. Biden had to bribe them into opening that gate and, even then, it was limited. Why the difference? What makes Palestinians so different that other Arab nations don't want to take them in?

Egypt isn’t a rich nation. They wanted a controlled release so they had resources to take the refugees. Again, Western media portrayed it as Egypt refusing the refugees.

Palestinians want to remain in their country. They know leaving may mean not being allowed to return.

 

[Guno צְבִי]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIoZvHU3wwg

 

[Dutch Uncle]

As long as there are players like Hamas who calls for the slaughter of all Jews in their charter ,,,,no peace for them

Agreed. What strikes me as odd is that other Arab nations don't want anything to do with them except as moral support against Israel.

In reality, I think those other Arab nations only want to keep the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Egypt isn’t a rich nation. They wanted a controlled release so they had resources to take the refugees. Again, Western media portrayed it as Egypt refusing the refugees.

Palestinians want to remain in their country. They know leaving may mean not being allowed to return.

Of course. It's hard to kill Jews in Michigan. Easier to do it from Gaza.

 

[Phantasmal]

Agreed. What strikes me as odd is that other Arab nations don't want anything to do with the except as moral support against Israel.

In reality, I think those other Arab nations only want to keep the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank.

Study the history of displacement and the answer will be obvious.

 

[Guno צְבִי]

This started way before Israel was reconstituted

Adolf Hitler, the Decision-Making Process Leading to the “Final Solution of the Jewish Question,” and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Hajj Amin al-Hussayni: The Current State of Research​

https://www.yadvashem.org/docs/haj-amin-al-husseini.html

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Study the history of displacement and the answer will be obvious.

I have. Remember those hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees both Hillary and many European nations wanted to accept? Why were the Syrians so quick to leave a warzone with their families rather than stick it out?

The Jews fleeing Nazi Germany instead of sticking it out? Why were they different than those in Gaza?

The United States is a nation of immigrants. Most of whom were fleeing oppression, tyranny and the loss of their homes in hope of a better life. I'm counting those who came here voluntarily, not those dragged here as indentured servants or slaves.

What no one has answered yet is why the other Arab nations are willing to accept Syrians but not Palestinians. It's a mystery.

 

[moon]

This started way before Israel was reconstituted

Adolf Hitler, the Decision-Making Process Leading to the “Final Solution of the Jewish Question,” and the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Hajj Amin al-Hussayni: The Current State of Research​

https://www.yadvashem.org/docs/haj-amin-al-husseini.html

Genocidal asshole produces the old ' Mufti ' canard. ^
THE MUFTI WAS INSTALLED BY THE BRITISH, KAPO. NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PALESTINIAN STREET

 

[moon]

Israel cannot murder its way to legitimacy

 

[moon]

ISRAEL MASSACRES

Israel's ongoing apocalyptic military campaign against Gaza comes on top of its 75+ years of persecution, displacement, and terrorism of Palestinians.

israel-massacres.com