The Arab-Israeli conflicts - A perspective in search of a solution
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moon
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Israelis and Palestinians are completely incompatible.
They would both rather continue the conflict until one side wins a war of genocide
than seek a solution through mediation.
The compromises required for a two state solution are completely unacceptable to both sides.
Al Gore got it right with his "Inconvenient Truth" concept.
Americans just won't ever recognize an extreme problem requiring an equally extreme solution.
Choosing psychotic optimism over reality
and choosing extreme social regressiveness over the social progressiveness that evolution is trying to propagate
have combined to thwart America
from approaching its cornucopian potential.
America has so many great things in its favor,
only to be wasted by an undeserving, debilitatingly conservative population.
They would both rather continue the conflict until one side wins a war of genocide
than seek a solution through mediation.
The compromises required for a two state solution are completely unacceptable to both sides.
Al Gore got it right with his "Inconvenient Truth" concept.
Americans just won't ever recognize an extreme problem requiring an equally extreme solution.
Choosing psychotic optimism over reality
and choosing extreme social regressiveness over the social progressiveness that evolution is trying to propagate
have combined to thwart America
from approaching its cornucopian potential.
America has so many great things in its favor,
only to be wasted by an undeserving, debilitatingly conservative population.
moon
Satire for Sanity
' Yet the ICJ has demolished Israel’s claim that the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip are not occupied, merely “disputed”. The Israeli government has long stressed that there was no “Palestine” whose land it could occupy because, until the six-day war of June 1967, the West Bank and East Jerusalem had been held by Jordan, which has since relinquished any claims to them, and the Gaza Strip was administered by Egypt, which certainly doesn’t want it back.
But the court held that for legal purposes, occupation is the product of a military takeover of land, regardless of its status. Even Gaza has long been occupied, the court found, despite Israel’s 2005 disengagement, because Israel maintained authority over various aspects of life in Gaza that could be exercised when it wished.
That occupation brings into force the fourth geneva convention of 1949 on military occupation, which Israel has ratified. Article 49 renders it illegal – a war crime – for an occupying power to transfer its population to occupied territory, as the court found that Israel has done with its settlements.
Did Palestinian leaders waive these rights with the Oslo accords, which recognized certain Israeli powers in the occupied territory as negotiations were supposed to proceed toward a Palestinian state? No, said the court, citing article 47 of the fourth Geneva convention, which says negotiations between occupier and occupied cannot deprive people of rights under the convention – a wise precaution given inherent power imbalances.
The court’s ruling is thus more than a legal setback for Israel. It is a virtual invitation for Karim Khan, chief prosecutor for the international criminal court (ICC), to prosecute the officials behind the settlements. He should start with the members of the current government who are authorizing their rapid expansion. '
www.theguardian.com
But the court held that for legal purposes, occupation is the product of a military takeover of land, regardless of its status. Even Gaza has long been occupied, the court found, despite Israel’s 2005 disengagement, because Israel maintained authority over various aspects of life in Gaza that could be exercised when it wished.
That occupation brings into force the fourth geneva convention of 1949 on military occupation, which Israel has ratified. Article 49 renders it illegal – a war crime – for an occupying power to transfer its population to occupied territory, as the court found that Israel has done with its settlements.
Did Palestinian leaders waive these rights with the Oslo accords, which recognized certain Israeli powers in the occupied territory as negotiations were supposed to proceed toward a Palestinian state? No, said the court, citing article 47 of the fourth Geneva convention, which says negotiations between occupier and occupied cannot deprive people of rights under the convention – a wise precaution given inherent power imbalances.
The court’s ruling is thus more than a legal setback for Israel. It is a virtual invitation for Karim Khan, chief prosecutor for the international criminal court (ICC), to prosecute the officials behind the settlements. He should start with the members of the current government who are authorizing their rapid expansion. '
The ICJ has demolished Israel’s claims that it is not occupying Palestinian territories | Kenneth Roth
The Israeli government has long stressed that there was no Palestine whose land it could occupy and that the territories are ‘disputed’. The court has rejected this
www.theguardian.com
moon
Satire for Sanity
' Perhaps most ominously for Israel, the court ordered all governments not to “render aid or assistance in maintaining” Israel’s presence in the occupied territory, given its illegality. That should apply foremost to the US government, the largest supplier to Israel by far of arms and military aid. The former Liberian president Charles Taylor is serving a 50-year prison term in a British prison for aiding and abetting war crimes by shipping arms to an abusive rebel group in neighboring Sierra Leone. No one is holding their breath awaiting ICC charges against US officials, but Biden/Trump should reconsider continuing to finance and arm the maintenance of the occupation precisely because charges would be legally justified. '
www.theguardian.com
The ICJ has demolished Israel’s claims that it is not occupying Palestinian territories | Kenneth Roth
The Israeli government has long stressed that there was no Palestine whose land it could occupy and that the territories are ‘disputed’. The court has rejected this
www.theguardian.com
You would understand if you really understood displacement and why the Arab nations want aid to Gaza and not refugees.
The leaders of Jordan and Egypt have articulated their reasons.
Trump wants Jordan and Egypt to take in Palestinians from Gaza. Here's why the idea is rejected
Trump floated the idea on Saturday, saying he would urge the leaders of the two Arab countries to take in Gaza’s now largely homeless population, so that “we just clean out that whole thing.”
apnews.com
moon
Satire for Sanity
Reading the International Court decision on the occupation of Palestine ^ ( yes, Palestine exists ) it is obvious that the Jews asses are toast when it comes to actual civilized, democratic justice. Their response ? Trash international law. Practice genocide. Steal, kill, ethnically-cleanse, assassinate, bomb babies, starve children, spread disease, poison wells.
Criminals abhor the law;
Criminals abhor the law;
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Lies and delusion are why the Palestinians are getting their asses kicked.
Latest Population Statistics for Israel
Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.
www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org
...In 2023, the population by religion was roughly 74% Jewish (7,400,000), 21% Muslim (2,100,000), 5% (500,000) Christian Arab and foreign citizens. Just under 2% of the population (180,300) are non-Arab Christians and 1.6% (152,000) are Druze....
...Of the 16.8 million Jewish people worldwide, 45.5% reside in Israel...
...In 2020, 78% of the Jewish population were “Sabras” - born in Israel - compared with just a 35% native-born population at Israel’s independence in 1948. Over half of the Jewish population is Israeli-born to at least one parent who was also Israeli-born. Those of European and American ancestry make up about 2.2 million (36%) of the Jewish population in Israel, while Africans make up another 14.5%, and Asians are 11.2%.
Dutch Uncle
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Thanks for the link. I understand the concept. It's just funny how it only applies to Palestinians and not other Arabs in the region.You would understand if you really understood displacement and why the Arab nations want aid to Gaza and not refugees.
The leaders of Jordan and Egypt have articulated their reasons.
Trump wants Jordan and Egypt to take in Palestinians from Gaza. Here's why the idea is rejected
Trump floated the idea on Saturday, saying he would urge the leaders of the two Arab countries to take in Gaza’s now largely homeless population, so that “we just clean out that whole thing.”
While, theoretically, Syrian refugees can return to Syria in 5-10 years when things settle down, human nature being what it is, they'll stay in the country where they've forged a new life.
People like Ms. Moon and others who are screaming "from the river to the sea" don't want peace. They don't want a Two-State solution. They want all or nothing. That's not a recipe for peace. The Israelis are faced with a choice; another 77 years of the same shit or finish it now.
People don't have to agree with the Israeli position to understand it. It would be as irresponsible for Israel to allow the situation that resulted in the October 7th attack to remain a possibility as it would be for the US government to allow a situation that could result in another 9/11.
If you recall, not everyone liked the US response to 9/11, but all national leaders understood it. Then, sadly, GW pissed all that good will away by invading Iraq.
I don't have humanitarian solution to Gaza. It would take a cultural change forced upon them by an international force. That's not happening so the Israelis are doing it.
moon
Satire for Sanity
You poor dumb fucker.
Haw, haw..................................................haw.
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Dutch Uncle
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Why aren't you in Gaza shooting Zionists, Ms. Moon? Has Western living made you soft?You poor dumb fucker.
Haw, haw..................................................haw.
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moon
Satire for Sanity
Why aren't you in a sex offenders institution ? You just ain't been caught yet, right pimpo ?
Haw, haw.......................................haw
I know you want my American dick in your mouth
moon said:
You must think that the forum enjoys your Achilles' dick posts.
Dutch Uncle said;
Yes, many do, Ms. Moon. They might enjoy seeing your hairy tits too. Send me a pic and I'll send you a dick pic. Deal?
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Clearly the answer is that you are fat, dumb and happy eating Bon-Bons in your Western home, watching Western TV and shopping in Western stores rather than risking your life killing Jews in Gaza.Why aren't you in a sex offenders institution ? You just ain't been caught yet, right pimpo ?
Haw, haw.......................................haw
I know you want my American dick in your mouth
moon said:
You must think that the forum enjoys your Achilles' dick posts.
Dutch Uncle said;
Yes, many do, Ms. Moon. They might enjoy seeing your hairy tits too. Send me a pic and I'll send you a dick pic. Deal?
Let's be honest, Ms. Moon; it's not that tough a guess that you are all talk, no walk.