The dichotomy of the "Wall" verses the "Shutdown".

[Tacomaman]

For those of us who used to work in politics, this is quite the interesting dichotomy. Based on polling and the results, of the mid-terms, a majority of Americans do not support the wall. They don't support open borders either. This is as much of a hyped up Republican talking point as is saying the Mexico will pay for the wall. Simply believing that money for border security can be better spent is not advocating for open borders. In fact, many career border agents and career Homeland Security folks don't want the wall either.

Also, and quite interestingly enough, a majority of Americans do not support a government shutdown either. Regardless of who is to blame. Americans rightly expect their government to work for them and not against them as too often happens. Therefore, how does this stalemate end?

If an agreement is reached - one that will likely contain far less than the requested 5 BILLION dollars (unless DACA is offered up, which is highly unlikely) and signed by POTUS, then it is over. If no agreement can be reached, the matter will be the #1 priority when the House reconvenes in January under Democratic control. A floor vote to end the shutdown will immediately occur - which the Senate will likely pass and send to Trump for signature. At that point, Trump will either sign, or veto. If a veto occurs, an override vote will follow. If that passes, his presidency is essentially over. If the measure should fail the Senate, BOTH Trump and the Republicans will own the shutdown and the fallout that will follow.

Trump wanted a fight to create another focus point away from his growing Mueller problem. Now he has one...……..

 

[Fentoine Lum]

For those of us who used to work in politics, this is quite the interesting dichotomy. Based on polling and the results, of the mid-terms, a majority of Americans do not support the wall. They don't support open borders either. This is as much of a hyped up Republican talking point as is saying the Mexico will pay for the wall. Simply believing that money for border security can be better spent is not advocating for open borders. In fact, many career border agents and career Homeland Security folks don't want the wall either.

Also, and quite interestingly enough, a majority of Americans do not support a government shutdown either. Regardless of who is to blame. Americans rightly expect their government to work for them and not against them as too often happens. Therefore, how does this stalemate end?

If an agreement is reached - one that will likely contain far less than the requested 5 BILLION dollars (unless DACA is offered up, which is highly unlikely) and signed by POTUS, then it is over. If no agreement can be reached, the matter will be the #1 priority when the House reconvenes in January under Democratic control. A floor vote to end the shutdown will immediately occur - which the Senate will likely pass and send to Trump for signature. At that point, Trump will either sign, or veto. If a veto occurs, an override vote will follow. If that passes, his presidency is essentially over. If the measure should fail the Senate, BOTH Trump and the Republicans will own the shutdown and the fallout that will follow.

Trump wanted a fight to create another focus point away from his growing Mueller problem. Now he has one...……..

I would assert it's high time to abandon the illusion that our system of governance in the US has any connection whatsoever to what a majority of americans want or support.

 

[Adolf_Twitler]

I would assert it's high time to abandon the illusion that our system of governance in the US has any connection whatsoever to what a majority of americans want or support.

Speaking of illusions......Here is the great illusion.....

 

[Tacomaman]

I would assert it's high time to abandon the illusion that our system of governance in the US has any connection whatsoever to what a majority of americans want or support.

Sadly, I must admit that you may very well be right. There is an old saying in DC politics that says both parties are the "same whore, simply wearing a different colored dress".

 

[Tacomaman]

Speaking of illusions......Here is the great illusion.....

LMAO. And they actually wonder why Trump said that he loved "Dumb people".

 

[Nordberg]

Sadly, I must admit that you may very well be right. There is an old saying in DC politics that says both parties are the "same whore, simply wearing a different colored dress".

Not close to true. that is a meme not based in reality. Programs that help the poor and the middle class are products of the Democratic party and have been for many decades. The Repubs slash taxes for the wealthy and corporations ,over and over. Repub policies are pro corporate and pro dynasties.They are trying to end programs that help the masses like Social Security, food stamps and others.
The problem is our campaign finance system. When it takes billions to run for president, it permits the wealthy to get their hooks into both candidates. Clinton saw he could raise money better off corporations and wealthy, and did it. That was a bad time for party separation. But that is not descripive of all Dems . There are still many who fight for the poor and minorities. that is rare in the Republican party. Minorities and poor cannot turn to the Reds for help. They do not care about them. They even want to prevent them from voting.