THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION -- NOVEMBER 2009

TuTu Monroe

A Realist
The unemployment rate edged down to 10.0 percent in November, and nonfarm payroll employment was essentially unchanged (-11,000), the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. In the prior 3 months, payroll job losses had averaged 135,000 a month. In November, employment fell in construction, manufacturing, and information, while temporary help services and health care added jobs.

Household Survey Data In November, both the number of unemployed persons, at 15.4 million, and the unemployment rate, at 10.0 percent, edged down. At the start of the recession in December 2007, the number of unemployed persons was 7.5 million, and the jobless rate was 4.9 percent. (See table A-1.) Among the major worker groups, unemployment rates for adult men (10.5 per- cent), adult women (7.9 percent), teenagers (26.7 percent), whites (9.3 per- cent), blacks (15.6 percent), and Hispanics (12.7 percent) showed little change in November. The unemployment rate for Asians was 7.3 percent, not seasonally adjusted. (See tables A-1, A-2, and A-3.) Among the unemployed, the number of job losers and persons who completed tem- porary jobs fell by 463,000 in November. The number of long-term unemployed (those jobless for 27 weeks and over) rose by 293,000 to 5.9 million. The percentage of unemployed persons jobless for 27 weeks or more increased by 2.7 percentage points to 38.3 percent. (See tables A-8 and A-9.) The civilian labor force participation rate was little changed in November at 65.0 percent. The employment-population ratio was unchanged at 58.5 percent. (See table A-1.) The number of people working part time for economic reasons (sometimes re- ferred to as involuntary part-time workers) was little changed in November at 9.2 million. These individuals were working part time because their hours had been cut back or because they were unable to find a full-time job. (See table A-5.)

About 2.3 million persons were marginally attached to the labor force in November, an increase of 376,000 from a year earlier. (The data are not sea- sonally adjusted.) These individuals were not in the labor force, wanted and were available for work, and had looked for a job sometime in the prior 12 months. They were not counted as unemployed because they had not searched for work in the 4 weeks preceding the survey. (See table A-13.) Among the marginally attached, there were 861,000 discouraged workers in November, up from 608,000 a year earlier. (The data are not seasonally ad- justed.) Discouraged workers are persons not currently looking for work be- cause they believe no jobs are available for them. The remaining 1.5 mil- lion persons marginally attached to the labor force had not searched for work in the 4 weeks preceding the survey for reasons such as school attend- ance or family responsibilities. Establishment Survey Data Total nonfarm payroll employment was essentially unchanged in November (-11,000). Job losses in the construction, manufacturing, and information industries were offset by job gains in temporary help services and health care. Since the recession began, payroll employment has decreased by 7.2 million. (See table B-1.) Construction employment declined by 27,000 over the month. Job losses had averaged 117,000 per month during the 6 months ending in April and 63,000 per month from May through October. In November, construction job losses were concentrated among nonresidential specialty trade contractors (-29,000). Manufacturing employment fell by 41,000 in November. The average monthly decline for the past 5 months (-46,000) was much lower than the average monthly job loss for the first half of this year (-171,000). About 2.1 mil- lion manufacturing jobs have been lost since December 2007; the majority of this decline has occurred in durable goods manufacturing (-1.6 million). Employment in the information industry fell by 17,000 in November. About half of the job loss occurred in its telecommunications component (-9,000). There was little change in wholesale and retail trade employment in November. Within retail trade, department stores added 8,000 jobs over the month.

The number of jobs in transportation and warehousing, financial activities, and leisure and hospitality showed little change over the month. Employment in professional and business services rose by 86,000 in November. Temporary help services accounted for the majority of the increase, adding 52,000 jobs. Since July, temporary help services employment has risen by 117,000. Health care employment continued to rise in November (21,000), with not- able gains in home health care services (7,000) and hospitals (7,000). The health care industry has added 613,000 jobs since the recession began in December 2007. In November, the average workweek for production and nonsupervisory workers on private nonfarm payrolls rose by 0.2 hour to 33.2 hours. The manufacturing workweek increased by 0.3 hour to 40.4 hours. Factory overtime rose by 0.1 hour to 3.4 hours. Since May, the manufacturing workweek has increased by 1.0 hour. (See table B-2.) In November, average hourly earnings of production and nonsupervisory workers on private nonfarm payrolls edged up by 1 cent, or 0.1 percent, to $18.74. Over the past 12 months, average hourly earnings have risen by 2.2 percent, while average weekly earnings have risen by 1.6 percent. (See table B-3.) The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for September was revised from -219,000 to -139,000, and the change for October was revised from -190,000 to -111,000. _____________ The Employment Situation for December is scheduled to be released on Friday, January 8, 2010, at 8:30 a.m. (EST). http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm
 
this is funny shit a right wing troll mining for anything to bitch Obama about. Thanks Tufat, that was funny as shit.
 
The report this morning was INCREDIBLE improvement.

Sorry it was such bad news for ya....

Among the marginally attached, there were 861,000 discouraged workers in November, up from 608,000 a year earlier.

INCREDIBLE improvement????

What the hell were you expecting that this minor and maybe temporary change means " INCREDIBLE improvement" to you.....???:lmao:
It can't get much worse than it is....
 
Among the marginally attached, there were 861,000 discouraged workers in November, up from 608,000 a year earlier.

INCREDIBLE improvement????

What the hell were you expecting that this minor and maybe temporary change means " INCREDIBLE improvement" to you.....???:lmao:
It can't get much worse than it is....

It's not surprise that more workers are discouraged, given the circumstances of the past year.

HOWEVER, considering that we were losing jobs at a clip of 500K not too long ago, the fact that this has slowed to 11,000 for November shocked pretty much everybody, and is an excellent sign that things are improving.

Like I said - sorry this is bad news for ya!
 
The report this morning was INCREDIBLE improvement.

Sorry it was such bad news for ya....

I agree the report was not doom and gloom and in fact could provide a bit of a psychological boost.

That said, pointing out that the increases outside of health care were in temporary (holiday???) help is not an invalid point.

As I stated on your thread... this was a surprise (and a good one) but I want a couple more before I buy into the optimism. Just my gut opinion on it.
 
Among the marginally attached, there were 861,000 discouraged workers in November, up from 608,000 a year earlier.

INCREDIBLE improvement????

What the hell were you expecting that this minor and maybe temporary change means " INCREDIBLE improvement" to you.....???:lmao:
It can't get much worse than it is....

It's truly mind-boggling how little they comprehend.:(
 
It's not surprise that more workers are discouraged, given the circumstances of the past year.

HOWEVER, considering that we were losing jobs at a clip of 500K not too long ago, the fact that this has slowed to 11,000 for November shocked pretty much everybody, and is an excellent sign that things are improving.

Like I said - sorry this is bad news for ya!

Well, you gotta agree that when everybody is out of a job, the next months unemployment number won't go up at all.
There won't be anyone with a job to lose...are you gonna tell us how wonderful that statistic is....???
 
Well, you gotta agree that when everybody is out of a job, the next months unemployment number won't go up at all.
There won't be anyone with a job to lose...are you gonna tell us how wonderful that statistic is....???

Everybody is out of a job?

Hyperbole is the last refuge of those who have failed.

Bottom line: today's report surprised everyone, and beat even the most optimistic projections for November.

Haha.
 
The fact is, our economy is still in a very precarious position.....it could be worse, of course. By most statistics, we should be starting to see improvement ... thats would be normal, in spite of Obamanomics....One too many tax increases and a few more bucks added to what is already an enormous debt, could still push us off the economic cliff...
 
Everybody is out of a job?

Hyperbole is the last refuge of those who have failed.

Bottom line: today's report surprised everyone, and beat even the most optimistic projections for November.

Haha.

You miss the point of the hyperbole....unemployment is NOW, very, very high by historical standards, omitting the depression.....and the change is minor...hardly an INCREDIBLE improvement (hyperbole?)
 
The fact is, our economy is still in a very precarious position.....it could be worse, of course. By most statistics, we should be starting to see improvement ... thats would be normal, in spite of Obamanomics....One too many tax increases and a few more bucks added to what is already an enormous debt, could still push us off the economic cliff...

Well, I certainly get this argument. You guys are already gearing up to argue that the impending recovery happened in SPITE of Obama. I understand your need to do that.
 
Well, I certainly get this argument. You guys are already gearing up to argue that the impending recovery happened in SPITE of Obama. I understand your need to do that.

There is no argument....its the normal cycle of business and of the US economy.....I fully expect a recovery sooner rather than later, any recovery to last about 6 to 12 years and the cycle repeat itself ... baring some really stupid policy getting passed by the government....
 
There is no argument....its the normal cycle of business and of the US economy.....I fully expect a recovery sooner rather than later, any recovery to last about 6 to 12 years and the cycle repeat itself ... baring some really stupid policy getting passed by the government....

We do have a cyclic economy. The crash of the past year fell outside of what could be considered the "normal" cycle.

If you can't admit that today's report was good news for America, I feel a little bad for ya...
 
We do have a cyclic economy. The crash of the past year fell outside of what could be considered the "normal" cycle.

If you can't admit that today's report was good news for America, I feel a little bad for ya...

The report was positive news, I didn't say it wasn't...what I pointed out that to describe it incredible was over the top........your need for wild cheering of anything that shows even minor improvement is understandable, for what is, so far a failed administration....
And your crack about "the normal cycle" is just that , CRAP...
There is no set number of years for our economic cycle...but I understand your need to believe that also....


Here you go....get educated....
[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States[/ame]
I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make him drink...lol
 
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Today's report was not "minor" improvement.

As far as the cycle - I'm not talking about the timeframe. I'm talking about the severity.

You're on permanent spin cycle. It's a little tiring...
 
Why not cut & paste something else to try to show us?

That Hussein Obama's out frantically stumping for ideas on how to create new jobs is about all the sign(s) you should need.

Once again, he will be flying around wasting money on Airforce One to tell us what we already know.

America needs more jobs...

yesterday
 
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Today's report was not "minor" improvement.

As far as the cycle - I'm not talking about the timeframe. I'm talking about the severity.

You're on permanent spin cycle. It's a little tiring...

Then you might want to investigate the unemployment stats, you'll find out you're wrong again.....then again, severity, is a relative term....

Personally, this down turn didn't affect me in the least....while the ones during Reagan and Clinton had me quite worried about my financial future....

We can and do overcome bank failures and business bankruptcies...we have in the past and we will in the future....that is capitalism working at its best....
Is this your first time sonny?

The interference by government is whats troubling....

Again ...I understand your dire need to spin issues to blame anyone but your own political party...your side is continually trying to blame others for any and all problems in the country....its just what you do...
 
Someone help me remember what it was the liberals said when unemployment was inching down toward 4% under Bush? Wasn't it something about how all these millions of people had simply given up finding jobs, therefore, weren't counted as 'unemployed' anymore? It's good to know we have apparently solved that problem, and no one is giving up anymore, huh? Like the voter fraud in the elections, Diebold machines and all.... good thing we seem to have completely fixed the problem, isn't it?
 
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