The FACTS behind tRump's "payroll tax cut" propananda.

You should put facts in quotes since you're really being disingenuous. In the article you cite, at one point they say that a person making $10 an hour on a 40 hour week gets $25 more per week. That's a 6.25% increase in take home pay and about an 8% increase if you factor in taxes taken out. That's a pretty substantial raise for a low pay worker. It doesn't mean as much at the upper limit of social security withholding though. For the $4000 a week worker (the maximum) it's $124 more or just 3.1%.

That seems to me to be a pretty good deal for those that need it most. It sure isn't the kick in teeth you imply it is. I'd also say it is not anything close to propaganda which would involve outright lies versus that workers are getting a break, whether you like it or not.

Oh, this is just wrong too.

"Socialism" is when the fire department shows up at your burning home.
"Capitalism" is when the insurance company refuses to pay.

First, fire coverage is a paid for service and in many rural areas it is by subscription with a private company providing the service.

The South Fulton Fire Department refused to put out a house fire last year due to an unpaid fire subscription fee, and it appears that policy has not changed.
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https://www.firehouse.com/operation...ssee-fire-department-watches-house-burn-again

You don't pay, you don't get your house-on-fire put out. That's capitalism.

If indeed you are insured, that is a private contract between you and the insurance company. They are only libel to pay what is spelled out in the contract, nothing more. You and they get to haggle over the payment. If the company refuses flat out to pay when you know they should you can take them to court. That's a free country thing with rule of law versus an autocratic state and bureaucracy that runs everything and can just tell you to go to hell like in Socialism.
 
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T. A. Gardner said:
You should put facts in quotes since you're really being disingenuous. In the article you cite, at one point they say that a person making $10 an hour on a 40 hour week gets $25 more per week. That's a 6.25% increase in take home pay and about an 8% increase if you factor in taxes taken out. That's a pretty substantial raise for a low pay worker. It doesn't mean as much at the upper limit of social security withholding though. For the $4000 a week worker (the maximum) it's $124 more or just 3.1%.

That seems to me to be a pretty good deal for those that need it most. It sure isn't the kick in teeth you imply it is. I'd also say it is not anything close to propaganda which would involve outright lies versus that workers are getting a break, whether you like it or not.
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The ones who need it the most are unemployed, they get fucking nothing.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
You should put facts in quotes since you're really being disingenuous. In the article you cite, at one point they say that a person making $10 an hour on a 40 hour week gets $25 more per week. That's a 6.25% increase in take home pay and about an 8% increase if you factor in taxes taken out. That's a pretty substantial raise for a low pay worker. It doesn't mean as much at the upper limit of social security withholding though. For the $4000 a week worker (the maximum) it's $124 more or just 3.1%.

That seems to me to be a pretty good deal for those that need it most. It sure isn't the kick in teeth you imply it is. I'd also say it is not anything close to propaganda which would involve outright lies versus that workers are getting a break, whether you like it or not.

Oh, this is just wrong too.

"Socialism" is when the fire department shows up at your burning home.
"Capitalism" is when the insurance company refuses to pay.

First, fire coverage is a paid for service and in many rural areas it is by subscription with a private company providing the service.



https://www.firehouse.com/operation...ssee-fire-department-watches-house-burn-again

You don't pay, you don't get your house-on-fire put out. That's capitalism.

If indeed you are insured, that is a private contract between you and the insurance company. They are only libel to pay what is spelled out in the contract, nothing more. You and they get to haggle over the payment. If the company refuses flat out to pay when you know they should you can take them to court. That's a free country thing with rule of law versus an autocratic state and bureaucracy that runs everything and can just tell you to go to hell like in Socialism.
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There will be no pay increase for anyone. No employer is going to risk having to pay back the money. Trumps payroll holiday will do exactly nothing. If you are dumb enough to believe your paycheck is going to suddenly get bigger, you are in for a very unpleasant surprise. And of course no one would really be getting more money. Trump himself said he would let you keep it if he gets elected (he can’t and he won’t), but he suggested that the liability just be moved to the general fund. Something that Trumptards have howled about, even though it hasn’t actually happened, and frankly never will. The whole thing was a snake oil salesman show to appeal to the base. Looks like it worked on the stupid people.
 
Concart said:
There will be no pay increase for anyone. No employer is going to risk having to pay back the money. Trumps payroll holiday will do exactly nothing. If you are dumb enough to believe your paycheck is going to suddenly get bigger, you are in for a very unpleasant surprise. And of course no one would really be getting more money. Trump himself said he would let you keep it if he gets elected (he can’t and he won’t), but he suggested that the liability just be moved to the general fund. Something that Trumptards have howled about, even though it hasn’t actually happened, and frankly never will. The whole thing was a snake oil salesman show to appeal to the base. Looks like it worked on the stupid people.
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No one's paycheck gets "bigger." It's simply a case of getting to keep more of your money rather than give it to the government to spend. Oh, by the way, Obama did the same exact thing with payroll withholding...

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...-presidents-tax-holiday-call-it-short-sighted

And the same 'tards on the Left bitched about it too because they don't like that you get to keep what you earn.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No one's paycheck gets "bigger." It's simply a case of getting to keep more of your money rather than give it to the government to spend. Oh, by the way, Obama did the same exact thing with payroll withholding...

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/...-presidents-tax-holiday-call-it-short-sighted

And the same 'tards on the Left bitched about it too because they don't like that you get to keep what you earn.
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No, Obama did not do the same thing. He went through Congress. And that was a cut, not a holiday. You will NEVER see a dime of this payroll tax 'holiday'. Your employer is not going to give it to you. They will hold on to it, and when Trump is defeated, they'll be glad they did. The whole thing is stupid. Your check will not be larger. No change.
 
Concart said:
No, Obama did not do the same thing. He went through Congress. And that was a cut, not a holiday. You will NEVER see a dime of this payroll tax 'holiday'. Your employer is not going to give it to you. They will hold on to it, and when Trump is defeated, they'll be glad they did. The whole thing is stupid. Your check will not be larger. No change.
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Guess again. Obama did his by executive order, just like Trump. It cut withholding on payroll taxes exactly like Trump's has on Social Security withholding.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/payrolltaxcut-house-speaker-nancypelosi/2020/08/09/id/981304/

You know what they always say: Pay now or pay later. Middle-class Americans may pay very dearly for the president’s tax deal, and at the stage of life when they can least afford it. By providing a temporary cut in the payroll taxes that fund Social Security, this deal starts the nation down a slippery slope that could lead to permanent benefits cuts for the middle class and even more wealth for the rich.

In other words, Obama’s “payroll tax holiday” could send the financial safety of America’s seniors on a permanent vacation.
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obamas-tax-holiday-a-pois_b_793526

The paper went on to call out Pelosi for "partisan hypocrisy" after she accused Trump if acting in an "absurdly unconstitutional" way by issuing the orders while cheerleading Obama's "pen and phone" executive actions relating to ObamaCare and illegal immigration.
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https://www.foxnews.com/media/wsj-pans-trump-following-barack-obama-method

Obama did the EXACT SAME THING
 
Concart said:
There will be no pay increase for anyone. No employer is going to risk having to pay back the money. Trumps payroll holiday will do exactly nothing. If you are dumb enough to believe your paycheck is going to suddenly get bigger, you are in for a very unpleasant surprise. And of course no one would really be getting more money. Trump himself said he would let you keep it if he gets elected (he can’t and he won’t), but he suggested that the liability just be moved to the general fund. Something that Trumptards have howled about, even though it hasn’t actually happened, and frankly never will. The whole thing was a snake oil salesman show to appeal to the base. Looks like it worked on the stupid people.
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tRump designed it for his "stupid" followers. If TAG's gullibility is any indication, looks like tRumps propaganda is working quite well.
 
Concart said:
No, Obama did not do the same thing. He went through Congress. And that was a cut, not a holiday. You will NEVER see a dime of this payroll tax 'holiday'. Your employer is not going to give it to you. They will hold on to it, and when Trump is defeated, they'll be glad they did. The whole thing is stupid. Your check will not be larger. No change.
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I bet the hipocrisy latent trumptards bitched and moaned when Obama did something similar. Now that its tRump doing it, suddenly it's a good idea.
Honestly, these boneheads must be clueless as to how transparent their idiotic hipicrisy is.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
You should put facts in quotes since you're really being disingenuous. In the article you cite, at one point they say that a person making $10 an hour on a 40 hour week gets $25 more per week. That's a 6.25% increase in take home pay and about an 8% increase if you factor in taxes taken out. That's a pretty substantial raise for a low pay worker.
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What happens next year when they pay it back? Those that are working, that it. Unemployed people get nothing, with no payroll tax deduction
 
Tacomaman said:
You would think that a "stable genius" lover like TAG could have figured out that much on his own.....lol
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Excuse me? How does getting a payroll tax break help someone who's not on a payroll but receiving unemployment and other welfare benefits like SNAP (aka Food Stamps) and the like, and may well be raking in more money than when they were employed?

The NY Times reports that “workers in more than half of states will receive, on average, more in unemployment benefits than their normal salaries.”
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/ryangu...unemployment-than-while-working/#1e89f6d16095

Anecdotally:

Sky Marietta told NPR that she had to close her Harlan, Kentucky, coffee shop because her employees can earn more in unemployment than they would serving coffee for $10 to $15 per hour.

"We basically have this situation where it would be a logical choice for a lot of people to be unemployed," Marietta told NPR.

"They're hardworking individuals," she added. "But literally this is the best possible pay of their lives they could possibly get, to be unemployed."
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https://www.businessinsider.com/une...-be-higher-than-wages-for-some-workers-2020-4

So, maybe those still putting in the time and working, particularly at the lower end of the pay scale deserve a break more than the free loaders getting unemployment when they could be working.
 
Althea said:
What happens next year when they pay it back? Those that are working, that it. Unemployed people get nothing, with no payroll tax deduction
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I don't know that they'll have to. With Obama's payroll tax break the difference came out of tax refunds at the end of the year. If you, like many people, particularly low income wage earners, expect to get a windfall at the end of the year in taxes back and it's several hundred dollars less, you probably didn't even notice the slight of hand trick involved. Likely the same thing here if there is a later payback.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I don't know that they'll have to. With Obama's payroll tax break the difference came out of tax refunds at the end of the year. If you, like many people, particularly low income wage earners, expect to get a windfall at the end of the year in taxes back and it's several hundred dollars less, you probably didn't even notice the slight of hand trick involved. Likely the same thing here if there is a later payback.
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Of course there's a later payback. Which is why we wonder about you hailing this as some amazing program for unemployed workers?


You might be stupid enough to take a big refund at the end of the year. Most people are.

I'm not one of them.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Guess again. Obama did his by executive order, just like Trump. It cut withholding on payroll taxes exactly like Trump's has on Social Security withholding.

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/payrolltaxcut-house-speaker-nancypelosi/2020/08/09/id/981304/



https://www.huffpost.com/entry/obamas-tax-holiday-a-pois_b_793526



https://www.foxnews.com/media/wsj-pans-trump-following-barack-obama-method

Obama did the EXACT SAME THING
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Nope. It's hilarious that you come here shooting your mouth off when you are so absolutely wrong.

https://www.cnn.com/2012/02/17/election/2012/payroll-tax-deal/index.html

https://www.everycrsreport.com/reports/R41648.html

God you people are morons.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I don't know that they'll have to. With Obama's payroll tax break the difference came out of tax refunds at the end of the year. If you, like many people, particularly low income wage earners, expect to get a windfall at the end of the year in taxes back and it's several hundred dollars less, you probably didn't even notice the slight of hand trick involved. Likely the same thing here if there is a later payback.
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Wrong again. The tax cut came directly from withholding. BECAUSE IT WAS PASSED BY CONGRESS. The President does not have authority to cut taxes without congressional approval. Which is why Trumps EO is so galactically stupid. Just like his supporters. You are batting .000.
 
Althea said:
Of course there's a later payback. Which is why we wonder about you hailing this as some amazing program for unemployed workers?


You might be stupid enough to take a big refund at the end of the year. Most people are.

I'm not one of them.
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There is a later payback because the President has absolutely zero authority to cut taxes. It's that pesky constitution again. As a result, almost no employer will chance having a liability by giving this money to employees now. If they quit or they get laid off, they are sure not going to pay the company back, but the government is going to come knocking. That's a HUGE liability for a company. So they won't risk it. Obama's payroll tax reduction was part of the recovery act passed by Congress (despite the Trumptards claim that it is exactly the same). It was not a holiday. It was a tax break. Trumps EO does nothing, LITERALLY nothing with respect to payroll taxes.
 
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