The freedom to disrespect people... How far does that go?

[Damocles]

In the USA, we have the freedom to disrespect people.

So, in another thread, what I think of as an interesting conversation started when Walt posted this post. To which I responded with a question.

Where does this right end?

 

[zymurgy]

So, in another thread, what I think of as an interesting conversation started when Walt posted this post. To which I responded with a question.

Where does this right end?

legally, it ends when a hypothetical "reasonable person" in the same situation as you feels the disrespect creates harm

is throwing a sandwich at me disrespectful and harmful? or just disrespectful?

 

[Damocles]

legally, it ends when a hypothetical "reasonable person" in the same situation as you feels the disrespect creates harm

is throwing a sandwich at me disrespectful and harmful? or just disrespectful?

So. What if I misgendered a child as a teacher, should I lose my job? What if it was a made up gender like "turtleself"? What if I misgendered a cis gendered child and called them turtleself? Is this a one-way right where someone can use governmental power to fire you for calling someone with a penis "him" when they want to be called "them"?

 

[AProudLefty]

So. What if I misgendered a child as a teacher, should I lose my job? What if it was a made up gender like "turtleself"? What if I misgendered a cis gendered child and called them turtleself? Is this a one-way right where someone can use governmental power to fire you for calling someone with a penis "him" when they want to be called "them"?

There is a difference between accidently misgendering a child and deliberate disrespect.

 

[Matt Dillon]

So, in another thread, what I think of as an interesting conversation started when Walt posted this post. To which I responded with a question.

Where does this right end?

When it infringes on their rights, of course.
No trans-people have a right to force anyone else to go along with their delusions and playacting at something they are not.

 

[Monad Portal]

So, in another thread, what I think of as an interesting conversation started when Walt posted this post. To which I responded with a question.

Where does this right end?

just prior to force or fraud or assault.

no sooner.

 

[Monad Portal]

There is a difference between accidently misgendering a child and deliberate disrespect.

deliberate disrespect is perfectly lawful, douchy pie-face.

 

[AProudLefty]

deliberate disrespect is perfectly lawful, douchy pie-face.

So teachers have the right to disrespect their students and keep their job?

 

[Monad Portal]

So teachers have the right to disrespect their students and keep their job?

yes.

though the above is a slight move of goalposts.

 

[AProudLefty]

yes.

though the above is a slight move of goalposts.

Interesting. How about employees in general?

 

[Monad Portal]

Interesting. How about employees in general?

disrespect is a slightly different consideration in the context of professional relationship, but writ large, the law shouldn't care.

 

[Monad Portal]

legally, it ends when a hypothetical "reasonable person" in the same situation as you feels the disrespect creates harm

is throwing a sandwich at me disrespectful and harmful? or just disrespectful?

holy fuck you're a god damn retard.

* do not take zymurgy if you are allergic to zymurgy or any it's ingredients.

 

[Monad Portal]

legally, it ends when a hypothetical "reasonable person" in the same situation as you feels the disrespect creates harm

is throwing a sandwich at me disrespectful and harmful? or just disrespectful?

disrespect creating harm is a bullshit pussy notion.

if an employer feels its inapporpriate to the professional context then they can be fired.

but in terms of police getting inolved, fuck no.

 

[QP!]

So. What if I misgendered a child as a teacher, should I lose my job? What if it was a made up gender like "turtleself"? What if I misgendered a cis gendered child and called them turtleself? Is this a one-way right where someone can use governmental power to fire you for calling someone with a penis "him" when they want to be called "them"?

You need to distinguish between purposefully and accidentally.

Purposefully then the person can and should be fired based on school rules of decency. It would be no different than a teacher calling the fattest kid in the class slime each day knowing it was tormenting him

 

[Monad Portal]

You need to distinguish between purposefully and accidentally.

Purposefully then the person can and should be fired based on school rules of decency. It would be no different than a teacher calling the fattest kid in the class slime each day knowing it was tormenting him

no no no.

go clean your gross pussy, woman.