The "last" justification for the Iraq War, goes down the toilet

Cypress

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What Murtha said two years ago.

The group "Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia" did not exist before bush invaded Iraq, and is only loosely and tangentially tied to the group that actually did attack us on 9/11.

Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia is largely reviled in Iraq by native Iraqis, who would kill them on sight, if they had a chance. Only the occupation by a large american army allows al qaeda in iraq to exist in any significant numbers.

Short version: its about the oil.


Only a U.S. Withdrawal Will Stop Al Qaeda in Iraq

October 5, 2007.

The conventional wisdom has it all wrong.

One of the last justifications for continuing the U.S. occupation of Iraq despite overwhelming opposition from Iraqis, Americans and the rest of humanity has come down to this: U.S. forces must remain in order to battle "al Qaeda in Iraq."

Like so many of the arguments presented in the United States, the idea is not only intellectually bankrupt, it's also the 180-degree opposite of reality. The truth of the matter is that only the presence of U.S. forces allows the group called "al Qaeda in Iraq" (AQI) to survive and function, and setting a timetable for the occupation to end is the best way to beat them. You won't hear that perspective in Washington, but according to Iraqis with whom we spoke, it is the conventional wisdom in much of the country.

The Bush administration has made much of what it calls "progress" in the Sunni-dominated provinces of central Iraq. But when we spoke to leaders there, the message we got was very different from what supporters of a long-term occupation claim: Many Sunnis are, indeed, lined up against groups like AQI, but that doesn't mean they are "joining" with coalition forces or throwing their support behind the Iraqi government.

Several sources we reached in the Sunni community agreed that AQI, a predominantly Sunni insurgent group that did not exist prior to the U.S. invasion -- it started in 2005 -- will not exist for long after coalition forces depart. AQI is universally detested by large majorities of Iraqis of all ethnic and sectarian backgrounds because of its fundamentalist interpretation of religious law and efforts to set up a separate Sunni state, and its only support -- and it obviously does enjoy some support -- is based solely on its opposition to the deeply unpopular U.S.-led occupation of Iraq.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/64429/
 
If US troops leave Iraq, Al Queda will be on the same bus with them. They know that the Iraqi people will have their heads stuck on a pole if they stay there.
 
You know, once in awhile I get a little nostalgic & miss SR chiming in with "why do you hate the troops & love the terrorists so much?" in response to threads like this...
 
The thing of it is, oil is fungible. Adding their share to the market will decrease the price regardless of who runs the country.

At this point, do they have enough security forces to ensure security? I think they may considering they'll no longer be fighting against all the people who took up arms just to battle the US.

At some point, you declare a victory and announce your plans to leave... It appears as if all the objectives have been met.

I'll even write something for them...

"At this time, most of the attacks are against our forces, if those attacks were ended the security forces in Iraq would be adequate to secure peace. In order to secure a more peaceful Iraq, and to show the high level of confidence we have in the sovereign government..."

Hows that sound?
 
"At this time, most of the attacks are against our forces, if those attacks were ended the security forces in Iraq would be adequate to secure peace. In order to secure a more peaceful Iraq, and to show the high level of confidence we have in the sovereign government..."


Hows that sound?



I think we apologize to Iraqis, apologize to the families on the hundreds of thousands of dead, make Bush's presidential pension into a trust fund to compensate the families of the dead, pack up and leave.
 
"At this time, most of the attacks are against our forces, if those attacks were ended the security forces in Iraq would be adequate to secure peace. In order to secure a more peaceful Iraq, and to show the high level of confidence we have in the sovereign government..."


Hows that sound?



I think we apologize to Iraqis, apologize to the families on the hundreds of thousands of dead, make Bush's presidential pension into a trust fund to compensate the families of the dead, pack up and leave.
I was working on a more realistic approached based on the current reality of who is President, and how it might be approached.

It is preposterous to think such a suggestion could actually be applied.

However, what do you think of the speech, you think you might hear something like that from Bush?
 
I was working on a more realistic approached based on the current reality of who is President, and how it might be approached.

It is preposterous to think such a suggestion could actually be applied.

However, what do you think of the speech, you think you might hear something like that from Bush?



Nope... GW is not a vegitarian...I really think you need more protein in your diet Damo...or try testosteron supplements...it will also make you a big Kahuna!:cof1:
 
Nope... GW is not a vegitarian...I really think you need more protein in your diet Damo...or try testosteron supplements...it will also make you a big Kahuna!:cof1:
What does being a vegetarian have to do with this?

Seriously, if it was "about oil" we would have long been gone from there. There is no need to specifically stay in order to lower cost for oil, since it is fungible it would lower the cost regardless if anybody put their oil on the market. We could totally ignore whomever took control so long as they put the oil on the market.

Hence the "It's all about oil" crowd are mistaken.
 
True.............

What does being a vegetarian have to do with this?

Seriously, if it was "about oil" we would have long been gone from there. There is no need to specifically stay in order to lower cost for oil, since it is fungible it would lower the cost regardless if anybody put their oil on the market. We could totally ignore whomever took control so long as they put the oil on the market.

Hence the "It's all about oil" crowd are mistaken.


I was just having some fun with your speech! I can only take so much 'Doom and Gloom'...as for leaving the security of Iraq to Iraq...I agree but then again if we leave... alQaeda will just follow us somewhere else...where do we go? Iran,home? Put all our troops at the new Trade Center site?
 
What does being a vegetarian have to do with this?

Seriously, if it was "about oil" we would have long been gone from there. There is no need to specifically stay in order to lower cost for oil, since it is fungible it would lower the cost regardless if anybody put their oil on the market. We could totally ignore whomever took control so long as they put the oil on the market.

Hence the "It's all about oil" crowd are mistaken.

This is what you get for talking to him:

:wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

Ok? I mean, the guy makes ZERO sense. I just can't get over it. I have him on IA, that means I'm only getting a fraction of the ignorance he is spewing all over this board all day...and it's still enough to leave me with my mouth hanging open in amazement.
 
Liar -Liar...pants on fire...

This is what you get for talking to him:

:wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

Ok? I mean, the guy makes ZERO sense. I just can't get over it. I have him on IA, that means I'm only getting a fraction of the ignorance he is spewing all over this board all day...and it's still enough to leave me with my mouth hanging open in amazement.



If I am on your IA how come you address things I say to others when they don't quote me???What a bimbo you are...have a nice lunch with the boss...another lie!
 
What does being a vegetarian have to do with this?

Seriously, if it was "about oil" we would have long been gone from there. There is no need to specifically stay in order to lower cost for oil, since it is fungible it would lower the cost regardless if anybody put their oil on the market. We could totally ignore whomever took control so long as they put the oil on the market.

Hence the "It's all about oil" crowd are mistaken.

well, we got rid of saddam... yes thats a good thing... weather he had anything to do with 9-11 or not makes no diffrence. he did support terror, it may not have been the terrorist that attacked ups on 9-11 but he did support terror, and used it himself. He was a threat to our country.. and no you obvosly dont need missles that can reach the us to be a threat. AQ took advantage of this. if we just up leave AQ will also take advantage of that amongst who know's who else.

9-11 change the way alot if not most people here in the us look at threats, instead of being on the defensive we move to a offensive stance on threats.
 
then the extreem left turned this war into a war for power here in the states... probably there plan all along.
 
Get er done!!!!!!!!

If I am on your IA how come you address things I say to others when they don't quote me???What a ..... you are...have a nice lunch with the boss...another lie!

IA is a funny thing like vegans on trampolines in the dessert. Did you know that Pam Anderson who did a music video in the dessert is a vegitarian who doesn't eat meat. That's nice and is better than the piccolo players in the band who were in WW2. Why do you hate our troops so much and want them in the dessert. So what are you having for dinner?

.....talking 'bout my girl........
 
DAmo quoted him:

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Originally Posted by Battleborne
Nope... GW is not a vegitarian...I really think you need more protein in your diet Damo...or try testosteron supplements...it will also make you a big Kahuna!

What does being a vegetarian have to do with this?

Seriously, if it was "about oil" we would have long been gone from there. There is no need to specifically stay in order to lower cost for oil, since it is fungible it would lower the cost regardless if anybody put their oil on the market. We could totally ignore whomever took control so long as they put the oil on the market.

Hence the "It's all about oil" crowd are mistaken.
 
YOU drunken shitbag liar.

And yeah, I'm "lying" about having to have lunch with my 60 year old female boss.

what a stupid drunken fabulist.
 
Of course a little waterboarding of Bush and Cheny to get the truth and save lives might not be a bad idea....

Naah even assholes like them deserve due process without cruelty...darn it!
 
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