The nuclear threat is as great today as it has ever been

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I think we will rue the day that Afghanistan is left to its own devices as the Taliban will then concentrate on taking over in Pakistan.

THERE'S a joke doing the rounds. Kim Jong-un the North Korean dictator says: "I demand a telephone conversation with Obama. But first I demand a telephone." It's easy to snigger. Kim Jong-un looks like an overgrown schoolboy.

By: Stephen Pollard
Published: Sat, April 6, 2013


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Kim Jong-Un discussing the strike plan with North Korean officers

North Korea is a hell hole. Shut off from the rest of the world its people are starved as a policy decision and its economy - even calling it an economy feels like an exaggeration - is ruinously antiquated. Kim Jong-un hardly gives the impression of a leader whose very words should send fear down the spines of world leaders.

As threats to the world go North Korea seems more comical than lethal.

But do not be fooled. The reason North Korea is such a hell hole and its people so backward is precisely because its leaders are ruthless - and by all rational standards, mad. They do not bat an eyelid at starving their population to death.

In recent days North Korea has ratcheted up its anti-Western rhetoric to unprecedented levels. It is no longer making general threats about its capabilities and how it might one day behave. It is making specific, direct threats about where it will attack - and how.

On Thursday it warned that "the moment of explosion is near" and said its army had been instructed to ready itself to attack the US using "smaller, lighter and diversified" nuclear weapons. As we learned on 9/11 when madmen make threats they sometimes mean exactly what they say.
Certainly the US is taking the threat of a nuclear attack seriously. Yesterday North Korea moved to its east coast a missile that can attack up to 1,800 miles away, putting Japan within its range.

The US, meanwhile, is bolstering its ballistic missiles on Guam, the Pacific Island that North Korea has also threatened, and has just deployed a battalion of anti-nuclear weapons at a base near Seoul in South Korea.

This is not a game. It is a deadly serious response to the threat of possible nuclear war. And it is the result of a madman and a mad regime having nuclear weapons. No one knows where this will end.

Whatever happens next - and I wish I had the confidence that some seem to have that Kim Jong-un is simply huffing and puffing - it does not take a genius to deduce the key lesson that we should take from North Korea's behaviour. It is that it is not the greatest idea in history to let megalomaniac regimes have nuclear weapons.

Because frightening enough as the North Korean crisis is, there are other nuclear hotspots that may pose an even greater threat.

The tensions between India and Pakistan over Kashmir would be bad enough in a nonnuclear world. But with both nations already in possession of large quantities of nuclear weapons the omens are dire.

Today there is effective parity between India and Pakistan. The latter has more weapons, the former more advanced weapons. But the Pakistanis are engaged in a headlong rush to supersede the nuclear capability of their neighbour and present India with a fearsome nuclear threat. Pakistan is now as close to being a failed state as is possible without tipping over the edge. Politically it is chaotic. Economically it is in crisis. Socially it is imploding.

So long as semi-rational politicians and army chiefs are in charge there is hope that catastrophe can be avoided. But with every passing day the danger grows that jihadists will take over and seize a terrifying nuclear arsenal.

Then there is Iran. Although it does not yet possess nuclear weapons it is on the cusp, helped by Pakistani and North Korean technology.

A nuclear Iran is not merely a danger because it is the world's leading sponsor of terrorism and putting such capability in terrorists' hands is the nightmare scenario.

There is also a more strategic problem. Iran is bent on domination of the Middle East, as the least of its aims. This, it rightly believes, will come when it goes nuclear.

That means that the only rational response from other Middle Eastern powers is to match Iran's weapons, exacerbating the already terrifying regional instability that a nuclear Iran will bring.

So when David Cameron says, as he did on Thursday, that the British nuclear deterrent is as vital today as it was in the Cold War days he is stating the obvious.

As he put it: "Last year North Korea unveiled a long-range ballistic missile which it claims can reach the whole of the US. If this became a reality it would also affect the whole of Europe, including the UK."In the modern world of increasing nuclear proliferation it would be perverse - not to say suicidal - for us to unilaterally abandon our own deterrent.
Mr Cameron asked this potent question: "Does anyone seriously argue that it would be wise for Britain, faced with this evolving threat today, to surrender our deterrent?"
As he well knows the answer is yes because that is his coalition partners' position. Labour, once the home of CND, is now grown-up on defence. But the Lib Dems are as barking as ever. They want us to put our hands in the air and give up.

When it comes to the first objective of government, protecting the country, both Labour and the Conservatives are broadly sensible. As for the Lib Dems, let us all hope we never have to find out the consequences of their policy.

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...-threat-is-as-great-today-as-it-has-ever-been
 
Unfortunately the "They're crazy so we have to hit them first" is not a justifiable reason to nuke a country into the ground. Retaliation only works one way folks, you can't punish for a crime that has not yet occurred.

AS for making threats, well who's the greatest offender there? (I mean aside from the Israelis)
 
Unfortunately the "They're crazy so we have to hit them first" is not a justifiable reason to nuke a country into the ground. Retaliation only works one way folks, you can't punish for a crime that has not yet occurred.

AS for making threats, well who's the greatest offender there? (I mean aside from the Israelis)

I think that Pakistan is the biggest problem the world faces, much more than North Korea or Iran. How else can you describe a situation where both India and Pakistan are armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons and the latter is in grave danger of going fundamentalist.
 
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Really?.....Didn't you ever hear of the Cuban Missile Crisis ?

The USSR actually had the means to destroy the US while
Kim Jong-Un will more likely blow his toes off before hes any danger to the US.....
 
The nuclear threat is as great today as it has ever been ?


Really?.....Didn't you ever hear of the Cuban Missile Crisis ?

The USSR actually had the means to destroy the US while
Kim Jong-Un will more likely blow his toes off before hes any danger to the US.....

Pay attention, I said India and Pakistan!!
 
Pay attention, I said India and Pakistan!!


80% of your op post and link talks about North Korea.....sorry anyway.....

I don't see much different now in the hostilities between India and Pakistan, its no more contentious now than its been for the last 20 years....or have I
missed some latest news....they've been trading threats for decades....NK is led by a mental case moron, thats a concern for their nearest neighbors.

Either way, neither is a direct threat to US cities
 
Pay attention, I said India and Pakistan!!
Maybe if we weren't so focussed of screwing the pakistani's over we might still have a voice in what they do. At this point however, well, there's something about dozens of dead civilians in a foreign country and the continued bombing of its land that makes a country... I don't know, edgy.
 
765. How to justify a nuclear attack? (4/1/2013)

There is a lively stage show in Korea Peninsula in recent days. North Korea had its third nuclear test in February. US and South Korea had a military drill in March. US sent B-52 in the drill then showed off with B-2 bombers there. N. Korea upgrades the threat almost everyday. US media is full of the topics such like: “North Korea said it would attack U.S. military bases on Japan and the Pacific island of Guam if provoked.”, “North Korea threatens to 'settle accounts with the US'”, “North Korea says enters "state of war" against South”…… But that war only exists in the mouth not in reality. It is actually a sale’s advertisement. The commodity is the nuclear weapon.

Renewed nuke sale fear after recent NKorea test
By FOSTER KLUG | Associated Press – 3/19/2013

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korea's nuclear test last month wasn't just a show of defiance and national pride; it also serves as advertising. The target audience, analysts say, is anyone in the world looking to buy nuclear material.

http://news.yahoo.com/renewed-nuke-sale-fear-recent-nkorea-test-110422435.html

North Korea’s Lesson: Nukes for Sale

By GRAHAM T. ALLISON Jr. Published: February 12

Who could be interested in buying a weapon for several hundred millions of dollars? Iran is currently investing billions of dollars annually in its nuclear quest. While Al Qaeda’s core is greatly diminished and its resources depleted, the man who succeeded Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, has been seeking nuclear weapons for more than a decade. And then there are Israel’s enemies, including wealthy individuals in some Arab countries, who might buy a bomb for the militant groups Hezbollah or Hamas.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/12/opinion/north-koreas-lesson-nukes-for-sale.html?_r=1&

Bush started Iraq War with a un- existed “WMD”. US won’t make similar mistake again in Iran war. So they directed a puppet show. In this show, N. Korea bangs the drum: “I have nuclear bomb. I’m enemy of the US. My nuke bomb is on sale if you are hostile to US. Come to pick up a bargain.”

So don’t be surprise that US and its Western allies would be attacked by “nuclear terror bombing” next time. Even none “potential customers” attend this “nuke sale booth”, the seller will create one. At that time, the “suicide bomber” could never tell truth. Just like those 911 hijackers, London 7/7/2005 bombers, Madrid bombing perpetrators and Adam Lanza and his mother in Sandy Hook shooting, they were all arranged to be dead. Of course, the Feds could gave you evidence from “damaged hard disc” (in Sandy Hook shooting) and “self claimed Mastermind” confession from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (911 case).

You can view the two news information I referred as a psychological opinion direction from the Feds- a justification for the coming terror attack.
 
Maybe if we weren't so focussed of screwing the pakistani's over we might still have a voice in what they do. At this point however, well, there's something about dozens of dead civilians in a foreign country and the continued bombing of its land that makes a country... I don't know, edgy.

I am sorry but you are incredibly naive, the use of drones by the CIA have the full sanction of the ISI and the Pakistani government. The drill is that they are allowed to operate in Pakistani territory as long as they can deny all knowledge of it. That's how it works, sorry if that makes you even more disillusioned.
 
765. How to justify a nuclear attack? (4/1/2013)

There is a lively stage show in Korea Peninsula in recent days. North Korea had its third nuclear test in February. US and South Korea had a military drill in March. US sent B-52 in the drill then showed off with B-2 bombers there. N. Korea upgrades the threat almost everyday. US media is full of the topics such like: “North Korea said it would attack U.S. military bases on Japan and the Pacific island of Guam if provoked.”, “North Korea threatens to 'settle accounts with the US'”, “North Korea says enters "state of war" against South”…… But that war only exists in the mouth not in reality. It is actually a sale’s advertisement. The commodity is the nuclear weapon.





Bush started Iraq War with a un- existed “WMD”. US won’t make similar mistake again in Iran war. So they directed a puppet show. In this show, N. Korea bangs the drum: “I have nuclear bomb. I’m enemy of the US. My nuke bomb is on sale if you are hostile to US. Come to pick up a bargain.”

So don’t be surprise that US and its Western allies would be attacked by “nuclear terror bombing” next time. Even none “potential customers” attend this “nuke sale booth”, the seller will create one. At that time, the “suicide bomber” could never tell truth. Just like those 911 hijackers, London 7/7/2005 bombers, Madrid bombing perpetrators and Adam Lanza and his mother in Sandy Hook shooting, they were all arranged to be dead. Of course, the Feds could gave you evidence from “damaged hard disc” (in Sandy Hook shooting) and “self claimed Mastermind” confession from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (911 case).

You can view the two news information I referred as a psychological opinion direction from the Feds- a justification for the coming terror attack.

You are a strange character, are you a real person or a bot?
 
I am sorry but you are incredibly naive, the use of drones by the CIA have the full sanction of the ISI and the Pakistani government. The drill is that they are allowed to operate in Pakistani territory as long as they can deny all knowledge of it. That's how it works, sorry if that makes you even more disillusioned.
You missed my point. We may have a say in their government, but if I goes fundamentalist, the new government will be made up of people who really don't like us.

Bit of a flashback to the Shah of Iran. A country if made up of people, while policies may change, those people tend to keep their views.
 
I think that Pakistan is the biggest problem the world faces, much more than North Korea or Iran. How else can you describe a situation where both India and Pakistan are armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons and the latter is in grave danger of going fundamentalist.

70ish warheads is hardly armed to the teeth. China and India are far more likely to be in a nuclear war with one another.
 
That's more than enough to lay waste to the Indian sub continent and a fair bit more.

I'll have to disagree with you there. The yields in Pakistani weapons are pretty small to start. Would that be enough to destroy the population centers? Yeah, that pretty likely. But the whole subcontinent? No.
 
Maybe if we weren't so focussed of screwing the pakistani's over we might still have a voice in what they do. At this point however, well, there's something about dozens of dead civilians in a foreign country and the continued bombing of its land that makes a country... I don't know, edgy.

Fuck Pakistan! They supported the Taliban and they harboured Bin Laden.
 
766. China is a member of fraud gang (4/6/2013)

In this soap opera, N. Korea and US are the main actors playing war game show to the world audience. Another important actor is China. China is the major supporter of North Korea, without its aid, N. Korea couldn’t survive. So when China approved the resolution of U.N. to sanction on N. Korea, it causes big surprise. China used to veto any resolution in U.N. if it is anti the “friendship of China and N. Korea”.

China voted for new North Korea sanctions. Will it enforce them?

By Peter Ford, Staff Writer / March 8, 2013

Beijing-When the UN Security Council imposed new and harsher sanctions on North Korea yesterday to punish it for its most recent nuclear test, one big part of the story was the fact that China had gone along with the resolution.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Glob...h-Korea-sanctions.-Will-it-enforce-them-video

Don’t be blinded by this action of China. It’s only a stage performance – a gimmick to lure Iran to the hook. To show that N. Korea is really helpless. Even its long time ally has abandoned him. So North Korea is eagerly to sell his treasure – the atomic bomb, at a bargain price.

One purpose of sanction is to inspect the cargo shipment by force. If Iran falls into the trap, it will be easy for US to intercept the “evidence”. The inspector could be China if necessary. He joins U.N. sanction. Bush’s “WMD” lie scandal won’t repeat in Obama's regime.

China is a secret collaborator of US. The regime is famous for its corruption. It will do anything – if the bribe is big enough. The Feds is to create big events to distract a framed case. One big event is “terrorist nuke attack”, you have seen my revelation. The other one is a “natural disaster” – a pandemic of bird flu.

767. Push Iran to bite the hook (4/15/2013)

To push Iran to bite the hook, they created an earthquake at the purpose to destroy Iran’s nuclear facility. If Iran can’t produce the nuke material by itself, they have to buy from North Korea. The mission failed, though.

Quake hits near Iran's nuclear city Bushehr, 37 dead

By Yeganeh Torbati and Marcus George DUBAI | Tue Apr 9, 2013

(Reuters) - A powerful earthquake struck close to Iran's only nuclear power station on Tuesday, ….

…… but the nearby Bushehr nuclear plant was undamaged, according to Iranian officials and the Russian company that built it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/09/us-iran-quake-idUSBRE9380HA20130409

Pentagon voluntarily advertises for the nuke products of North Korea, tries to convince the potential buyer the merchandise is just what they wanted.

Pentagon: NKorea could launch nuclear missile
By ROBERT BURNS and JULIE PACE | Associated Press 4/11/2013

WASHINGTON (AP) — A U.S. intelligence report concludes that North Korea has advanced its nuclear knowhow to the point that it could arm a ballistic missile with a nuclear warhead, a jarring revelation in the midst of bellicose threats from the unpredictable communist regime.

http://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-nkorea-could-launch-nuclear-missile-183109878--politics.html
 
761. “Less safe” may be a nuke attack (3/4/2013)

To start a war, they need justification. For war on Iraq, Afghanistan, they activated 911 attack. For war on Iran, they still need a 911 alike “terror attack”. Eric Holder’s claim on 3/1 may signal this:

Eric Holder on decision day: the country will be less safe
By Pierre Thomas, Richard Coolidge, and Jordyn Phelps 3/1/2013

Attorney General Eric Holder says the country is less safe because of the across-the-board spending cuts that go into effect today and that those who claim the administration has been fear mongering about the cuts simply don't have the facts straight.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-p...decision-day-country-less-safe-123204219.html

Take the chance of Sequestration, they make a “terror attack” reasonable. That “less safe” case likely would be a nuke attack. The following news issued three months ago, though could be misinformation, may have revealed what kind of “less safe” case would be.

Nuclear Christmas, false flag in America to blame on Iran
There are strong confirmations that one or more nuclear weapons, known to have been stolen but kept from the public to “prevent panic,” may well be deployed in American cities by extremist elements with probable ties to a foreign intelligence agency.

This scenario was the basis of the television show “Jericho” several years ago. However, this time there are real culprits and real motivations, both the overthrow of the government of the United States and the naming of Iran as a “scapegoat.”

The plot has been tracked to groups within the Pentagon, several government agencies and wealthy and powerful extremist backers of Netanyahu and, in particular, the “Gulf Cartel” operating from Mexico that has penetrated nearly all levels of government, law enforcement and the military across the country.

Using surprisingly direct language, President Obama has officially confirmed this conspiracy.
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Thus, when a threat of an attack on the “government and nation” is revealed, two things become obvious:

1. Only a nuclear attack, likely more than one location, could push America to the new war Israel wants and bully the American people into even more “police state” legislation and the total abandonment of what is left of democratic government.

2. News and entertainment have been systematically pre-staging such a move through highly fictionalized and propagandized “brainwashing” that is intended to make Iran the scapegoat for what President Obama has now revealed is actually an “insider threat” within the American government.

Nukes, Lost, Stolen and “Misplaced” Now “in Play”
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/11/28/274939/nuclear-christmas-false-flag-in-us/
 
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