The oranges of the investigation - the story according to Trump

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Starting in late 2015 - shortly after our hero declared his candidacy to an expectant world - Obama's intelligence chiefs recruited a close foreign ally to concoct fake evidence suggesting that members of Trump's team were having "suspicious interactions" with a hostile foreign power.

British spies were first to spot Trump team's links with Russia
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

The Steele dossier wasn't part of this, that came later.

Obama's FBI now had the excuse they wanted to spy on Trump. This duly started in July 2016. A notable feature was a FISA warrant against the esteemed Carter Page, obtained in October 2016 a few weeks after he quit Trump's team.

What was the purpose of this spying? It was to uncover Trump's campaign secrets, which could then be passed to Obama and Clinton, who would make absolutely damned sure that Trump didn't win. (That worked out well, didn't it?) Oh yes, and it was an "insurance policy" just in case Trump HAD done something.

As a final master-stroke, Comey announced a week before the election that Obama's FBI was examining fresh evidence in the Clinton email case. Later Trump fired him for this and other things, because he didn't like to win unfairly.
 
Do Trump partisans believe something like the conspiracy theory outlined in the OP?

In this scenario the Deep State conspirators would have known there was no evidence to suggest that Trump's team was collaborating with Kremlin agents (because the conspirators themselves had fabricated it, with the help of foreign friends). Nevertheless they went ahead and "investigated" it. What did they hope to gain?

The usual answer is that they wanted to spy on Trump, presumably to uncover his secrets. What kind of secrets? (yeah I know, they were secret). But where is the evidence that they sought any? They took out a FISA warrant on Carter Page a few weeks before the election, AFTER he had left Trump's team? If they did find any secrets, what did they do with them? They didn't leak them or hand them over to Hillary so she could destroy Trump. What was the point of it?

This whole interpretation is so thin, it baffles me that relatively intelligent Trumpsters (there are a few on this board) really appear to believe it.


The alternative is that, starting in late 2015, indications were coming in from various sources of "suspicious interactions" between members of Trump's team and known Russian agents. In 2016 it became increasingly clear that the Kremlin was mounting a major operation to subvert the election. In itself this proved nothing, but it needed to be investigated, and that's what Brennan and Comey did. It was their plain duty.

Of course it's not impossible that they cut some corners, notably in the FISC process so beloved of Truthful Nunes. IF there is anything in that, no doubt Barr and his helpers will find out. But that's a long way from a Grand Deep State Conspiracy.
 
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