The Right Defines The Right. The Left Defines The Left.

[PoliTalker]

It was easy to argue for the left.

All that is required is to post the facts and back them up with links to solid credible sources.

The right shoots itself in the foot because the right TRIES to define the left with a bunch of made-up nonsense.

The left doesn't have to make up anything about the right. The right is so bad, all the left needs to do is state the facts.

The left is solidly footed in reality, the right is hopelessly lost in propaganda.

The right is obsessed with the left, fixated, gripped with hatred and fear.

The left is astonished at the right.

If you ask the left what is wrong with the right you will get a fairly accurate description. No need to embellish.

If you ask the right what is wrong with the left you will generally get fantasy and fabricated falsehoods.

Sure, there are exceptions on both sides. I'm certainly speaking of generalities here.

But the stark difference cannot be ignored. It's real.

The biggest problem for the right is it constantly attempts to redefine the left, and in so doing it defines itself as fake.

 

[PoliTalker]

The Right Defines The Right. The Left Defines The Left.

The right doesn't get this.

They think they can redefine the left.

It is their biggest mistake.

Or is it all they have?

What if the right dropped all the nasty character attacks?

What would they actually have?

'Cut taxes?'

We've gone too far with that and we are no longer paying for our government.

That can't last long like that.

We are running the country on credit right now.

Sooner or later we have to pay for what we spend.

And we can't cut spending without absolutely trashing the economy.

The math doesn't lie, can't be spun.

So all the right is left with is personal attacks, character attacks, making things up about the left to try to stir up emotions.

Well, emotions don't balance a budget.

 

[PoliTalker]

The right's biggest problem is it thinks it can redefine the left.

So it makes stuff up, loses track of reality, and loses credibility.

 

[Yakuda]

It was easy to argue for the left.

All that is required is to post the facts and back them up with links to solid credible sources.

The right shoots itself in the foot because the right TRIES to define the left with a bunch of made-up nonsense.

The left doesn't have to make up anything about the right. The right is so bad, all the left needs to do is state the facts.

The left is solidly footed in reality, the right is hopelessly lost in propaganda.

The right is obsessed with the left, fixated, gripped with hatred and fear.

The left is astonished at the right.

If you ask the left what is wrong with the right you will get a fairly accurate description. No need to embellish.

If you ask the right what is wrong with the left you will generally get fantasy and fabricated falsehoods.

Sure, there are exceptions on both sides. I'm certainly speaking of generalities here.

But the stark difference cannot be ignored. It's real.

The biggest problem for the right is it constantly attempts to redefine the left, and in so doing it defines itself as fake.

So you write some dumbass mumbo jumbo about citing credible sources for the claims you make. Ok. I have seen you needle dicks claim lives could have been saved from covid had trump acted differently somehow. Cite the credible source that proves even 1 life could have been saved had trump done something differently. Your next post better have links or specific info about where someone can find the proof.

 

[Cancel 2020.2]

It was easy to argue for the left.

All that is required is to post the facts and back them up with links to solid credible sources.

The right shoots itself in the foot because the right TRIES to define the left with a bunch of made-up nonsense.

The left doesn't have to make up anything about the right. The right is so bad, all the left needs to do is state the facts.

The left is solidly footed in reality, the right is hopelessly lost in propaganda.

The right is obsessed with the left, fixated, gripped with hatred and fear.

The left is astonished at the right.

If you ask the left what is wrong with the right you will get a fairly accurate description. No need to embellish.

If you ask the right what is wrong with the left you will generally get fantasy and fabricated falsehoods.

Sure, there are exceptions on both sides. I'm certainly speaking of generalities here.

But the stark difference cannot be ignored. It's real.

The biggest problem for the right is it constantly attempts to redefine the left, and in so doing it defines itself as fake.

 

[Cancel 2020.2]

The right's biggest problem is it thinks it can redefine the left.

So it makes stuff up, loses track of reality, and loses credibility.

 

[Cancel 2020.2]

So you write some dumbass mumbo jumbo about citing credible sources for the claims you make. Ok. I have seen you needle dicks claim lives could have been saved from covid had trump acted differently somehow. Cite the credible source that proves even 1 life could have been saved had trump done something differently. Your next post better have links or specific info about where someone can find the proof.

 

[Yakuda]

It was easy to argue for the left.

All that is required is to post the facts and back them up with links to solid credible sources.

The right shoots itself in the foot because the right TRIES to define the left with a bunch of made-up nonsense.

The left doesn't have to make up anything about the right. The right is so bad, all the left needs to do is state the facts.

The left is solidly footed in reality, the right is hopelessly lost in propaganda.

The right is obsessed with the left, fixated, gripped with hatred and fear.

The left is astonished at the right.

If you ask the left what is wrong with the right you will get a fairly accurate description. No need to embellish.

If you ask the right what is wrong with the left you will generally get fantasy and fabricated falsehoods.

Sure, there are exceptions on both sides. I'm certainly speaking of generalities here.

But the stark difference cannot be ignored. It's real.

The biggest problem for the right is it constantly attempts to redefine the left, and in so doing it defines itself as fake.

I did the work for you because I know how stupid and lazy you are. I found an article on statnews form june 19,2020 and it claims 70-99% of american deaths could have been saved. They compared the US to South Korea, Australia, Germany and Singapore. The number dead from each of those countries respectively are 385, 851, 9464 and 27. Their populations are much smaller but what was interesting is the number of confirmed cases. Those numbers respectively are 23k, 26k, 273k1 and 57k. Confirmed cases in the US? 6 million. The closest population to ours is Germany with 83 million people. Those countries clearly arent testing anywhere near as much as us but are being held up as models for how to handle the disease? Fucking morons.

 

[PoliTalker]

It is always refreshing to find someone who can sincerely argue for the right.

That is because there are so few who can do so.

Most of what comes out of the right is really just a big Straw Man argument.

Trying to redefine the left.

The left is abhorred by the right.

The right really has no idea what the left is all about because the right is too busy making things up.

Example: Most people on the right think the left hates Trump.

The perception could hardly be further from the reality.

The left is rightly abhorred at Trump because he is so heartless and mean.

-Ripping crying children from their parents, never to be seen again.

-Attempting to take health care away from the working poor during a pandemic.

It's unconscionable. There is a Supreme Court Case to be heard after the election to take health care away from those who cannot afford it, even as the coronavirus ravages America and over 200 thousand Americans have been killed.

It appears the reason Trump has downplayed the crisis is because it affects minorities and the working poor more greatly than it does the rich.

 

[Yakuda]

It is always refreshing to find someone who can sincerely argue for the right.

That is because there are so few who can do so.

Most of what comes out of the right is really just a big Straw Man argument.

Trying to redefine the left.

The left is abhorred by the right.

The right really has no idea what the left is all about because the right is too busy making things up.

Example: Most people on the right think the left hates Trump.

The perception could hardly be further from the reality.

The left is rightly abhorred at Trump because he is so heartless and mean.

-Ripping crying children from their parents, never to be seen again.

-Attempting to take health care away from the working poor during a pandemic.

It's unconscionable. There is a Supreme Court Case to be heard after the election to take health care away from those who cannot afford it, even as the coronavirus ravages America and over 200 thousand Americans have been killed.

It appears the reason Trump has downplayed the crisis is because it affects minorities and the working poor more greatly than it does the rich.

I notice you didn't offer one independent source to address the points i made and in fact this whole thread is based on nothing but you're opinion. Fascinating

 

[PoliTalker]

Still looking for a polite person to argue earnestly for the right.

So rare!

 

[PoliTalker]

This is a real problem for the right.

They don't see the left as it is.

What they see is a Straw Man version.

Another example.

The right thinks Trump gave us a great economy..

Wrong!

The economy that Trump inherited was excellent.

The economy was doing great long before Trump took office.

But if you ask Trump supporters, they will tell you that Trump created a great economy.

They think Obama was somehow holding the economy back.

What?

By paying the bills?

Obama reduced the deficit, was very responsible with the federal budget. We were collecting almost enough taxes to pay for the government. We really should have raised taxes on the rich some more, but everybody knows there is no way Obama could have gotten any kind of bill like that on his desk with the Republicans in control of the Senate.

Trump came in, cut taxes for the rich, cut revenue, racked up a bunch of debt, which had the same effect as throwing money at the economy.

Well of course the economy is going to perk up if you throw money at it. But where did that money come from? It was BORROWED. All of it. Every cent was tacked onto the federal debt.

You can't go on like that. That's OK for a few years, sure. Of course you can improve an existing economy if you throw money at it.

But the money wasn't free.

It was borrowed, and it will have to be paid back by future generations.

That was irresponsible.

The right thinks Trump did a great job with the economy, but that is another lie.

He threw money at it that we didn't have.

He racked up a lot of debt.

He has been exactly the precise thing the right USED TO argue against. Borrow and spend.

The federal government is no bigger than it was when Trump took office and the debt has skyrocketed.

The right fools itself about Trump and it fools itself about the left.

The left doesn't have to make anything up about the right to criticize it.

The right defines the right, and it's ugly.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

When I smack the Left down, I like to quote from the stuff they've written and put on the Internet. It's easy to jam their stupidity down their throats. When you get that far on the Right, the crazy isn't even worth responding to. But the crazy on the Left is lots of fun because it's taken seriously even as it is completely insane.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

This is a real problem for the right.

They don't see the left as it is.

What they see is a Straw Man version.

Do expand on this with some.

You mention the Obama economy. When Obama left office, it was:

4.7% unemployment (by the U30 measure)
62.7% employment participation rate. (this measures those employed against the number of persons who could be employed)
Number of people on welfare +33%
Home ownership rate - 3.8%
Federal debt +128%
Cost of health insurance +43%

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/20/trump-v-obama-economy-charts/

(I deliberately picked an Obama friendly, Leftist paper to quote because even they can't spin this back to good)

On the whole, the Obama economy was one in recovery. What Obama did was slow the rate of that recovery by imposing more regulation and trying to force changes on the economy like his war on oil and coal.
Trump picked up where Obama left off in that recovery, and by reducing regulation and allowing a return to business of many sectors of the economy without imposition of government mandates, the economy improved fasted than under Obama. That increase is both measurable and significant, but it isn't as massive as Trump touts.
One indicator that is clearly far better under Trump is the massive decrease in food stamps, welfare, etc. numbers right up to the COVID nonsense hitting. This is undeniable.
So, the economy Trump inherited was doing alright. Not great, but okay. Trump did improve on those numbers. He didn't make it the greatest or anything but he did make it better than under Obama, if only by degree. Obama was holding the economy back. Both in pushing Green initiatives and in raising taxes, and by imposing lots of new regulation.
Obama had his first two years in office to do as he pleased. This he squandered on Obamacare which saw a massive, unprecedented, rise in the cost of medical insurance (up 43% by the time he left office) for roughly the same number of uninsured in the US as when he came in. In other words, all Obamacare really accomplished was to grossly raise the cost of medical insurance. This is something Trump has yet to really address. Yes, he did try to repeal Obamacare, but killing a big government program is nearly impossible to do. There are simply too many vested interests in these once well established to kill them off.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello T. A. Gardner,

When I smack the Left down, I like to quote from the stuff they've written and put on the Internet. It's easy to jam their stupidity down their throats. When you get that far on the Right, the crazy isn't even worth responding to. But the crazy on the Left is lots of fun because it's taken seriously even as it is completely insane.

I'm not looking to do any smack-downs of anybody. I just want to hash out what's best for the country and society. Ideas that won't work must be abandoned and replaced with more effective policy. The left-right differences are simply what I have noticed.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Hello T. A. Gardner,

I'm not looking to do any smack-downs of anybody. I just want to hash out what's best for the country and society. Ideas that won't work must be abandoned and replaced with more effective policy. The left-right differences are simply what I have noticed.

Okay... That's moderate policies that ignore almost, if not entirely, everything the Left wants. That will give you the most effective policies on virtually everything. There is virtually nothing that the Left wants that is workable, cost effective, efficient, or beneficial to a society at large. It's that obvious.

When you get to the far Right nobody wants anything to do with their idiocy, and their numbers are relatively small and disorganized so they are effectively left out of the picture.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello T. A. Gardner,

Do expand on this with some.

You mention the Obama economy. When Obama left office, it was:

4.7% unemployment (by the U30 measure)
62.7% employment participation rate. (this measures those employed against the number of persons who could be employed)
Number of people on welfare +33%
Home ownership rate - 3.8%
Federal debt +128%
Cost of health insurance +43%

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/20/trump-v-obama-economy-charts/

(I deliberately picked an Obama friendly, Leftist paper to quote because even they can't spin this back to good)

It was good. The Obama/Biden recovery was real and reliable. It was a great improvement over the chaos they took on when entering office.

On the whole, the Obama economy was one in recovery. What Obama did was slow the rate of that recovery by imposing more regulation and trying to force changes on the economy like his war on oil and coal.

Like it or not the climate is changing. The climate doesn't care what our economy is doing. It's changing and that demands that we take action. Obama's responsible action was a preservation of habitat and life.

Trump picked up where Obama left off in that recovery, and by reducing regulation and allowing a return to business of many sectors of the economy without imposition of government mandates, the economy improved fasted than under Obama.

Actually the economic recovery was about the same for Trump's first year until he signed off on that terribly irresponsible tax cut that essentially quit paying for government and instead threw borrowed money at the rich. The regulations cut were needed to protect the environment. China built a strong middle class by ignoring air quality. We were foolish to relax our standards. We have shown we can do it while protecting the environment. Sure it's harder, but we've never backed down from a tough challenge when our nation is on the line.

That increase is both measurable and significant, but it isn't as massive as Trump touts.
One indicator that is clearly far better under Trump is the massive decrease in food stamps, welfare, etc. numbers right up to the COVID nonsense hitting. This is undeniable.

The pandemic is real. The only nonsense is the mixed signals coming from Trump, which have made it far worse than it had to be.

So, the economy Trump inherited was doing alright. Not great, but okay. Trump did improve on those numbers.

By irresponsibly squandering the environment and the federal budget.

He didn't make it the greatest or anything but he did make it better than under Obama, if only by degree. Obama was holding the economy back. Both in pushing Green initiatives and in raising taxes, and by imposing lots of new regulation.

Obama was responsible, Trump was not.

Obama had his first two years in office to do as he pleased. This he squandered on Obamacare which saw a massive, unprecedented, rise in the cost of medical insurance (up 43% by the time he left office) for roughly the same number of uninsured in the US as when he came in. In other words, all Obamacare really accomplished was to grossly raise the cost of medical insurance. This is something Trump has yet to really address. Yes, he did try to repeal Obamacare, but killing a big government program is nearly impossible to do. There are simply too many vested interests in these once well established to kill them off.

Millions of Americans now have healthcare as a result of the PPACA. Nobody can be rejected for preexisting conditions. Trump has a case before the SCOTUS which tries to take all of that away. You are going to be charged more for your preexisting conditions if Trump wins.

 

[Yakuda]

Still looking for a polite person to argue earnestly for the right.

So rare!

And I'm looking for letist who isnt a whiny ass bitch. People can actually see you avoiding the issue dickhead.

 

[Yakuda]

Hello T. A. Gardner,



It was good. The Obama/Biden recovery was real and reliable. It was a great improvement over the chaos they took on when entering office.



Like it or not the climate is changing. The climate doesn't care what our economy is doing. It's changing and that demands that we take action. Obama's responsible action was a preservation of habitat and life.



Actually the economic recovery was about the same for Trump's first year until he signed off on that terribly irresponsible tax cut that essentially quit paying for government and instead threw borrowed money at the rich. The regulations cut were needed to protect the environment. China built a strong middle class by ignoring air quality. We were foolish to relax our standards. We have shown we can do it while protecting the environment. Sure it's harder, but we've never backed down from a tough challenge when our nation is on the line.



The pandemic is real. The only nonsense is the mixed signals coming from Trump, which have made it far worse than it had to be.



By irresponsibly squandering the environment and the federal budget.



Obama was responsible, Trump was not.



Millions of Americans now have healthcare as a result of the PPACA. Nobody can be rejected for preexisting conditions. Trump has a case before the SCOTUS which tries to take all of that away. You are going to be charged more for your preexisting conditions if Trump wins.

Hey bitch where's your source evidence for how many lives would have been saved if only trump Had danced to your tune about covid? Why not just admit you're a pussy. I won't respect you anymore but at least I won't see you for the cockroach you really are.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello T. A. Gardner,

Okay... That's moderate policies that ignore almost, if not entirely, everything the Left wants. That will give you the most effective policies on virtually everything. There is virtually nothing that the Left wants that is workable, cost effective, efficient, or beneficial to a society at large. It's that obvious.

When you get to the far Right nobody wants anything to do with their idiocy, and their numbers are relatively small and disorganized so they are effectively left out of the picture.

The left brought us the vote for women, the vote for Blacks, minimum wage, the 40 hour work week, safety on the job, the Civil Rights Act, consumer safety in products, protections for the environment, winning World War II, Interstate Highways, Landing on the Moon, and healthcare at last for millions of Americans who could not afford it.

The right has brought the rich lower taxes in exchange for running the federal debt sky high, attacks on the postal service, a staunch refusal to deal with gun violence, children ripped from their parents for life - put in cages, pollution, and a greedy president who profits from the office at the expense of taxpayers.