The stupidity of Christianity Part MCVIII

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European scientists questioning the theory of evolution?

»Teaching Evolution Theory«

On the October 11th 2006 an international group opposing evolution will be holding a public hearing at the European Parliament in Brussels on the issue of "Teaching Evolution Theory". The session will last from 10.00 am to 12.00 am. There will be offered translation interpretation into French, German, English and Polish. Professor Dr. Maciej Giertych (genetecist and member of the European Parliament) will be acting as moderator to introduce three speakers, each one giving lectures for about 20 minutes. Best-selling author and expert on evidences against evolution theory Hans-Joachim Zillmer will give one of the lectures entitled "Invalidation of the Paleontological record". After the speeches there will be a 45 minutes time for general discussion.

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Prof. Maciej C. Giertych ( http://www.idpan.poznan.pl/giertych/)

Guy Berthault (http://geology.ref.ac/berthault)

Evolution Video (www.noevolution.org)

The Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation (http://www.kolbecenter.org/)
 
Hans-Joachim Zillmer, a German expert for Paleontology and Geology and member of the New York Academy of Sciences, told the meeting that the fossil record holds no proof for evolution theory either. Instead of showing gradual change from one species to another, as is often claimed in the classroom, it actually reveals the stasis and stability of life forms.

Amongst those helping to organise the historic seminar were Dr. Dominique Tassot, Director of Centre d'Etude et de Prospectives sur la Science (C.E.P). C.E.P. is an organisation consisting of 700 French speaking scientists, intellectuals and representatives of other professions, all of whom oppose evolutionary theory on scientific grounds.
 
Instead of showing gradual change from one species to another, as is often claimed in the classroom, it actually reveals the stasis and stability of life forms.
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oh wow I'm convinced!
 
Christians become ecstatic when they find that one scientist out of millions who will spout out their nonsense for them. It's also notable that there are many schizophrenics out of millions of people.
 
WinterBorn said:
Actually, most christians I know don't literally believe this was an actual event. The story was taken from pre-existing religions in the area.
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if you mean the Jews, I will agree with you....but what actually would BE a pre-existing religion to an religion that considers itself to date from Noah?........or from Adam and Eve, for that matter.....
 
Snowflakes and open systems??? DOH!

We, too, believe the second law of thermodynamics is one of the most powerful arguments against evolution. We have not used it on our web site because we haven’t found a way to explain it in a way that the general public can understand. These seven men give it a valiant try, and nearly succeed.

Science and Religion
Evolutionists can’t seem to separate science from religion. They sometimes imply (or even state outright) that the scientists who reject evolution do so because religious brainwashing has prevented them from being able to think rationally. Remember, the email from “P” challenged us,


But can you name one scientist who (a) is not a "Bible Literalist" and who (b) rejects evolution and supports the "young earth" hypothesis?



What has religion got to do with science? We don’t even ask our members what their religious beliefs are, let alone snoop into the religious beliefs of scientists we only know by reputation. However, we are quite confident that Harun Yahya isn’t a “Bible Literalist.” The last two chapters of his excellent 20-chapter book, Evolution Deceit, urge the reader to accept the Islamic faith. Therefore, he can’t be a Bible Literalist, but that is beside the point.

We certainly agree that most of the scientists who reject evolution believe the Bible, but it is unclear which is the cause and which is the effect. Do scientists reject evolution because they believe the Bible, or do they believe the Bible because they reject evolution? (On the other side of the coin, most atheists are evolutionists. Are they evolutionists because they are atheists? or are they atheists because they are evolutionists?)

Several of the scientists who wrote chapters for In Six Days say they were once atheistic evolutionists who didn’t accept Christianity and creation until after they realized that the theory of evolution is scientifically bankrupt. Their rejection of evolution did not come from some Christian brainwashing which prevented them from thinking rationally. They rejected the theory because science evidence is overwhelmingly against evolution.



The problem is that thermodynamics is a one-semester mechanical engineering course that mechanical and electrical engineering students are generally required to take to graduate. Physics majors probably have to take it, too. It is a course that students usually try to put off until their junior or senior years because it is a tough course, which many students flunk.

To explain why the second law of thermodynamics prohibits evolution, one must rely on concepts appreciated only by people who have received a passing grade in thermodynamics. People who don’t understand thermodynamics make stupid counter-arguments about snowflakes or open systems.

Perhaps someday we will try to explain why the theory of evolution violates the second law of thermodynamics. Meanwhile, the best we can do is recommend you read the essays in In Six Days written by the seven scientists mentioned above.
 
Ice Dancer said:
European scientists questioning the theory of evolution?

»Teaching Evolution Theory«

On the October 11th 2006 an international group opposing evolution will be holding a public hearing at the European Parliament in Brussels on the issue of "Teaching Evolution Theory". The session will last from 10.00 am to 12.00 am. There will be offered translation interpretation into French, German, English and Polish. Professor Dr. Maciej Giertych (genetecist and member of the European Parliament) will be acting as moderator to introduce three speakers, each one giving lectures for about 20 minutes. Best-selling author and expert on evidences against evolution theory Hans-Joachim Zillmer will give one of the lectures entitled "Invalidation of the Paleontological record". After the speeches there will be a 45 minutes time for general discussion.

poster_evotheo_k.jpg


Prof. Maciej C. Giertych ( http://www.idpan.poznan.pl/giertych/)

Guy Berthault (http://geology.ref.ac/berthault)

Evolution Video (www.noevolution.org)

The Kolbe Center for the Study of Creation (http://www.kolbecenter.org/)
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OH God! Not this stupidity again!
 
Ice Dancer said:
Hans-Joachim Zillmer, a German expert for Paleontology and Geology and member of the New York Academy of Sciences, told the meeting that the fossil record holds no proof for evolution theory either. Instead of showing gradual change from one species to another, as is often claimed in the classroom, it actually reveals the stasis and stability of life forms.

Amongst those helping to organise the historic seminar were Dr. Dominique Tassot, Director of Centre d'Etude et de Prospectives sur la Science (C.E.P). C.E.P. is an organisation consisting of 700 French speaking scientists, intellectuals and representatives of other professions, all of whom oppose evolutionary theory on scientific grounds.
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Well then Zillmer just flat out doesn't know what he's talking about. He's a crank and he's uninformed or he misleading people in order or advance a personal or religious agenda.
 
TheKingOfCarrotFlowers said:
Christians become ecstatic when they find that one scientist out of millions who will spout out their nonsense for them. It's also notable that there are many schizophrenics out of millions of people.
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Yea I know. That's why they came up with Project Steve. They asked for guys named Steve's with PhD's in the life sciences to sign a petition supporting the teaching of evolutionary theory as a foundation of biology education. I think about 10,000 or more Life Scientist named Steve who have signed it.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
if you mean the Jews, I will agree with you....but what actually would BE a pre-existing religion to an religion that considers itself to date from Noah?........or from Adam and Eve, for that matter.....
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http://www.bible-history.com/babylonia/BabyloniaBabylonian_Myth_of_the_Flood.htm
Ancient Babylonia - Babylonian Myth of the Flood





A recurring myth though out the whole of the Middle East is that is that of a great flood or deluge. Indeed the theme is discovered as far as Western Europe and India.

According to the Babylonian version the flood is caused by the great storm god Enlil to punish mankind. In a city called Shuruppak on the river Euphrates there lived a man called Uta-Napishtim. He was the favourite of Ea, the god of wisdom and was warned by the god. Uta-Napishtim built himself a great boat 120 cubits high and the same wide. He took inside it his family, many craftsmen and a great stock of food. The pilot was called Puzur-Bel.

For six days and six nights it rained. The sun was blocked out. Even the gods were frightened and all men except Uta-Napishtim were destroyed. The gods were distraught at man's destruction. The boat of Uta-Napishtim came to rest on Mount Nisir. On the seventh day of their resting on Mount Nisir he sent out a dove, which finding no place to land, returned and then he sent out a raven which did not return so he knew it was safe.

When he went out of his boat he made a sacrifice to the gods. The goddess Ishtar came and created a rainbow: her necklace. When Enlil discovered that Uta-Napishtim had escaped him he was furious and would have killed him. Ea persuaded Enlil that complete destruction of mankind was wrong. He said that only the men who had done wrong should be killed and not all mankind. Enlil was persuaded but still turned Uta-Napishtim into a god so that no man had escaped him.

The Mesopotamian stories contain many similarities to the biblical account. The flood marks a turning point in primeval history. It is brought on by divine decision as a punishment for man's sins against the gods. One man, the favorite of a god, is singled out for salvation. To save his family and representatives of all living creatures, he is to build a vessel caulked inside and out with pitch. The flood results with a rainstorm. After the devastation of the flood, the vessel comes to rest on a mountain peak. Birds are dispatched to discover whether dry land has appeared. When the hero leaves the boat he offers a sacrifice. The gods express their sorrow over what has happened. There are many other similarities that seem to resemble one another in certain general details but there are clear and unmistakable differences throughout.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Snowflakes and open systems??? DOH!

We, too, believe the second law of thermodynamics is one of the most powerful arguments against evolution. We have not used it on our web site because we haven’t found a way to explain it in a way that the general public can understand. These seven men give it a valiant try, and nearly succeed.

Science and Religion
Evolutionists can’t seem to separate science from religion. They sometimes imply (or even state outright) that the scientists who reject evolution do so because religious brainwashing has prevented them from being able to think rationally. Remember, the email from “P” challenged us,


But can you name one scientist who (a) is not a "Bible Literalist" and who (b) rejects evolution and supports the "young earth" hypothesis?



What has religion got to do with science? We don’t even ask our members what their religious beliefs are, let alone snoop into the religious beliefs of scientists we only know by reputation. However, we are quite confident that Harun Yahya isn’t a “Bible Literalist.” The last two chapters of his excellent 20-chapter book, Evolution Deceit, urge the reader to accept the Islamic faith. Therefore, he can’t be a Bible Literalist, but that is beside the point.

We certainly agree that most of the scientists who reject evolution believe the Bible, but it is unclear which is the cause and which is the effect. Do scientists reject evolution because they believe the Bible, or do they believe the Bible because they reject evolution? (On the other side of the coin, most atheists are evolutionists. Are they evolutionists because they are atheists? or are they atheists because they are evolutionists?)

Several of the scientists who wrote chapters for In Six Days say they were once atheistic evolutionists who didn’t accept Christianity and creation until after they realized that the theory of evolution is scientifically bankrupt. Their rejection of evolution did not come from some Christian brainwashing which prevented them from thinking rationally. They rejected the theory because science evidence is overwhelmingly against evolution.



The problem is that thermodynamics is a one-semester mechanical engineering course that mechanical and electrical engineering students are generally required to take to graduate. Physics majors probably have to take it, too. It is a course that students usually try to put off until their junior or senior years because it is a tough course, which many students flunk.

To explain why the second law of thermodynamics prohibits evolution, one must rely on concepts appreciated only by people who have received a passing grade in thermodynamics. People who don’t understand thermodynamics make stupid counter-arguments about snowflakes or open systems.

Perhaps someday we will try to explain why the theory of evolution violates the second law of thermodynamics. Meanwhile, the best we can do is recommend you read the essays in In Six Days written by the seven scientists mentioned above.
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ID....don't even go there. If you believe that the second law of thermodynamics discredits evolutionary theory then it only proves two points. #1. You don't understand the second law of thermodynamics and #2. You don't understand evolutionary theory.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Yea I know. That's why they came up with Project Steve. They asked for guys named Steve's with PhD's in the life sciences to sign a petition supporting the teaching of evolutionary theory as a foundation of biology education. I think about 10,000 or more Life Scientist named Steve who have signed it.
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As compared to the 700 anti-evolution scientists who signed the anti-evolution petition - most of them engineers (I don't mean to be mean to engineers, but you know they have a "I'm always right and everything has to be perfect!" mindset that can lead to this kind of logic). I think maybe that one crazy PHD biologist who works at Discovery Institute signed it too.

The point of the Project Steve wasn't a mean spirited nose rubbing, just an attempt to mock the numbers game creationists were trying to play. I think it was highly effective.
 
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