The trade war is over — and China won

Bill

Malarkeyville
Capitulation??? :thinking:


The trade war is over — and China won


Trump-Xi agreement shows the president won’t go to the wall to fundamentally change the U.S.’s trade relationship with China​



The great U.S.-China trade war is all over but the shouting.

In a meeting on the sidelines of the G-20 summit in Osaka, Japan, President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping agreed to resume trade talks that had broken down in May.

Trump will lift some restrictions on Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd.’s ability to do business with U.S. companies and will postpone tariffs he threatened to impose on an additional $300 billion annually in Chinese imports. In exchange, Xi agreed China will buy more U.S. agricultural products. Details will be spelled out later.

This deal — the second time President Trump gave in to China’s demands and ended restrictions on a major Chinese technology company that had been accused of threatening U.S. national interests — effectively marks the end of Trump’s trade war with China.

Why? Because it shows the president won’t go to the wall to fundamentally change the U.S.’s trade relationship with the world’s second-biggest economy. The Chinese president has clearly calculated his American counterpart is unwilling to do anything that would threaten his support among key constituencies, like farmers, as the 2020 election looms. (President Trump also has backed down big time from his bellicose talk on North Korea and now appears ready to tacitly accept Pyongyang as a nuclear power.)

That means, I believe, that the current tariffs will continue but no new ones will be imposed. China will buy more U.S. agricultural products — although some U.S. farmers will find other countries already have muscled them out of the Chinese market. We may well see a bigger deal in coming months, which the Dealmaker-in-Chief will undoubtedly proclaim a great victory, cheered on by his hard-core supporters


But China will not rein in its state-owned enterprises. It will not curtail its Made in China 2025 initiatives in cutting-edge technologies like robotics, electric vehicles and artificial intelligence. Global supply chains will remain largely intact and thousands of manufacturing jobs will not flow back to U.S. shores. China under President for Life Xi will continue to become the most advanced surveillance state the world has ever seen, and it will keep hundreds of thousands of Uighur Muslims from Xinjiang in “re-education” camps for as long as it wishes.

Wall Street has long expected a truce in which the U.S. agreed not to add new tariffs to the $250 billion a year on which it now imposes a 25% levy, but the big concessions on Huawei were clearly not in the market. That should give this bull market a new shot of adrenaline. I expect the S&P 500 index SPX, +0.50% and Dow Jones Industrial Average DJIA, +0.20% (which opened with big gains Monday morning) to continue to hit new highs in coming weeks.

Trump’s big concessions to Xi pleased powerful interests hurt by the tariffs. The heads of the National Retail Federation and Semiconductor Industry Association both praised the new cease-fire. ”Trump said he made the decision to allow Huawei to buy U.S. products at the request of American ‘high tech companies,’” CNBC reported.

Meanwhile, national security hawk Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) fiercely denounced the deal on Twitter. “If President Trump has agreed to reverse recent sanctions against Huawei he has made a catastrophic mistake,” the senator tweeted. On CBS News’ “Face the Nation,” another hawkish Trump cheerleader, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), called the Huawei deal “clearly a concession.”

“To be blunt about it, I think the Chinese will see the United States as having blinked a bit,” former Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd told CNBC’s “Squawk Box” Monday morning. “I think the takeout message from Osaka will be…President Trump really wants a deal,” the China expert and fluent Mandarin speaker concluded.

National security officials from several countries have long warned of Huawei’s deep ties to China’s People’s Liberation Army and its critical role in building next-generation 5G wireless technology, which could become the backbone of the global information economy in the 21st century. Administration officials scrambled to assure everyone that Huawei will still be barred from any activities that imperil national security.

But remember that in June 2018, the Commerce Department lifted a ban on selling components to ZTE Corp. ZTCOY, +3.33% 763, -2.38% 000063, +4.21% which had been accused of violating sanctions against Iran and North Korea, and paid over $1 billion in fines. That also came after a personal appeal from President Xi to President Trump.

Meanwhile, Huawei’s CFO, Meng Wanzhou, the daughter of company founder Ren Zhengfei, is fighting extradition from Canada to the U.S. on fraud charges. The U.S. government alleges she helped trick financial institutions into violating U.S. sanctions against Iran. Huawei has denied the allegations. If the charges against her are dropped, that will only make President Trump’s capitulation official.

But we don’t have to wait that long. We’ve had two cave-ins on major Chinese companies in one year. We don’t need an umpire to call strike three to declare this ballgame is over.

Howard R. Gold is a MarketWatch columnist. Follow him on Twitter @howardrgold.
 
Let's face it Bill. Nobody believes the threats and bluster of our Obese Orange Pig.

It seems like only yesterday he was blustering about keeping the government "shut down for years", right before caving to Madam Speaker Pelosi.
 
Let's face it Bill. Nobody believes the threats and bluster of our Obese Orange Pig.

It seems like only yesterday he was blustering about keeping the government "shut down for years", right before caving to Madam Speaker Pelosi.

So to sum up so far:

1. No wall, paid for by Mexico or by us.
2. NK still has nukes but now is a player on the world stage rather than a crazy cousin who lives in the attic.
3. China trade war failed.
4. We're on the verge of war with Iran, plus still are present in Iraq and Afghanistan.
5. GDP growth has not been the 3%+ touted by the Tangerine Tyrant.
6. Where's that infrastructure bill?
7. Where's that repeal and replace of the ACA?

So much winning.
 
So to sum up so far:

1. No wall, paid for by Mexico or by us.
2. NK still has nukes but now is a player on the world stage rather than a crazy cousin who lives in the attic.
3. China trade war failed.
4. We're on the verge of war with Iran, plus still are present in Iraq and Afghanistan.
5. GDP growth has not been the 3%+ touted by the Tangerine Tyrant.
6. Where's that infrastructure bill?
7. Where's that repeal and replace of the ACA?

So much winning.

Perception is reality to the trumpanzees
 
So to sum up so far:

1. No wall, paid for by Mexico or by us.
2. NK still has nukes but now is a player on the world stage rather than a crazy cousin who lives in the attic.
3. China trade war failed.
4. We're on the verge of war with Iran, plus still are present in Iraq and Afghanistan.
5. GDP growth has not been the 3%+ touted by the Tangerine Tyrant.
6. Where's that infrastructure bill?
7. Where's that repeal and replace of the ACA?

So much winning.

That is the hallmark of a Con Man - overpromise, and under-deliver.

Most of the world had Trump, the con man, figured out years ago.
For some weird reason, Trump boot-lickers have not been able to figure out the con. Too much lead paints chips as kids?
 
That is the hallmark of a Con Man - overpromise, and under-deliver.

Most of the world had Trump, the con man, figured out years ago.
For some weird reason, Trump boot-lickers have not been able to figure out the con. Too much lead paints chips as kids?

They swallowed the Hollywood idea that "reality shows" are real, and voted for a reality show game show host, thinking that he was the real deal. Ironically, Hollywood is maligned by many of them as infested with liberals and Jews.
 
Capitulation??? :thinking:


The trade war is over — and China won


Trump-Xi agreement shows the president won’t go to the wall to fundamentally change the U.S.’s trade relationship with China​



The great U.S.-China trade war is all over but the shouting.

In a meeting on the sidelines of the G-20 summit in Osaka, Japan, President Donald Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping agreed to resume trade talks that had broken down in May.

Trump will lift some restrictions on Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd.’s ability to do business with U.S. companies and will postpone tariffs he threatened to impose on an additional $300 billion annually in Chinese imports. In exchange, Xi agreed China will buy more U.S. agricultural products. Details will be spelled out later.

This deal — the second time President Trump gave in to China’s demands and ended restrictions on a major Chinese technology company that had been accused of threatening U.S. national interests — effectively marks the end of Trump’s trade war with China.

Why? Because it shows the president won’t go to the wall to fundamentally change the U.S.’s trade relationship with the world’s second-biggest economy. The Chinese president has clearly calculated his American counterpart is unwilling to do anything that would threaten his support among key constituencies, like farmers, as the 2020 election looms. (President Trump also has backed down big time from his bellicose talk on North Korea and now appears ready to tacitly accept Pyongyang as a nuclear power.)

That means, I believe, that the current tariffs will continue but no new ones will be imposed. China will buy more U.S. agricultural products — although some U.S. farmers will find other countries already have muscled them out of the Chinese market. We may well see a bigger deal in coming months, which the Dealmaker-in-Chief will undoubtedly proclaim a great victory, cheered on by his hard-core supporters


But China will not rein in its state-owned enterprises. It will not curtail its Made in China 2025 initiatives in cutting-edge technologies like robotics, electric vehicles and artificial intelligence. Global supply chains will remain largely intact and thousands of manufacturing jobs will not flow back to U.S. shores. China under President for Life Xi will continue to become the most advanced surveillance state the world has ever seen, and it will keep hundreds of thousands of Uighur Muslims from Xinjiang in “re-education” camps for as long as it wishes.

Wall Street has long expected a truce in which the U.S. agreed not to add new tariffs to the $250 billion a year on which it now imposes a 25% levy, but the big concessions on Huawei were clearly not in the market. That should give this bull market a new shot of adrenaline. I expect the S&P 500 index SPX, +0.50% and Dow Jones Industrial Average DJIA, +0.20% (which opened with big gains Monday morning) to continue to hit new highs in coming weeks.

Trump’s big concessions to Xi pleased powerful interests hurt by the tariffs. The heads of the National Retail Federation and Semiconductor Industry Association both praised the new cease-fire. ”Trump said he made the decision to allow Huawei to buy U.S. products at the request of American ‘high tech companies,’” CNBC reported.

Meanwhile, national security hawk Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) fiercely denounced the deal on Twitter. “If President Trump has agreed to reverse recent sanctions against Huawei he has made a catastrophic mistake,” the senator tweeted. On CBS News’ “Face the Nation,” another hawkish Trump cheerleader, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), called the Huawei deal “clearly a concession.”

“To be blunt about it, I think the Chinese will see the United States as having blinked a bit,” former Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd told CNBC’s “Squawk Box” Monday morning. “I think the takeout message from Osaka will be…President Trump really wants a deal,” the China expert and fluent Mandarin speaker concluded.

National security officials from several countries have long warned of Huawei’s deep ties to China’s People’s Liberation Army and its critical role in building next-generation 5G wireless technology, which could become the backbone of the global information economy in the 21st century. Administration officials scrambled to assure everyone that Huawei will still be barred from any activities that imperil national security.

But remember that in June 2018, the Commerce Department lifted a ban on selling components to ZTE Corp. ZTCOY, +3.33% 763, -2.38% 000063, +4.21% which had been accused of violating sanctions against Iran and North Korea, and paid over $1 billion in fines. That also came after a personal appeal from President Xi to President Trump.

Meanwhile, Huawei’s CFO, Meng Wanzhou, the daughter of company founder Ren Zhengfei, is fighting extradition from Canada to the U.S. on fraud charges. The U.S. government alleges she helped trick financial institutions into violating U.S. sanctions against Iran. Huawei has denied the allegations. If the charges against her are dropped, that will only make President Trump’s capitulation official.

But we don’t have to wait that long. We’ve had two cave-ins on major Chinese companies in one year. We don’t need an umpire to call strike three to declare this ballgame is over.

Howard R. Gold is a MarketWatch columnist. Follow him on Twitter @howardrgold.
Of course, Trump gets all his MAGA shit and campaign crap from China. That's clearly more important than national security or our economy.

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Let's face it Bill. Nobody believes the threats and bluster of our Obese Orange Pig.

It seems like only yesterday he was blustering about keeping the government "shut down for years", right before caving to Madam Speaker Pelosi.

lol.......... Good point........ After all the animated posturing & theatrics he isn't fooling anyone, certainly not here, or in red china...

They got a good laugh out of it @ the UN as well, those Germans got a sense of humor.......:laugh::laugh:

SEG-Trump-UN-Germany-Laughing.jpg
 
So to sum up so far:

1. No wall, paid for by Mexico or by us.
2. NK still has nukes but now is a player on the world stage rather than a crazy cousin who lives in the attic.
3. China trade war failed.
4. We're on the verge of war with Iran, plus still are present in Iraq and Afghanistan.
5. GDP growth has not been the 3%+ touted by the Tangerine Tyrant.
6. Where's that infrastructure bill?
7. Where's that repeal and replace of the ACA?

So much winning.

:bigthink: 1. but 2. but 3. but 4. but 5. but. 6. but 7. but ;)
 
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