'The Way We Were'

[midcan5]

And the way we are - well said.

'America was a Plutocratic Nat’l Security State and Still Is'

"Compare the America that welcomed young Donald Trump into the world in 1946 with the country that, some 70 years later, elected him president. As the post-World War II era was beginning, three large facts — so immense that they were simply taken for granted — defined America."" See OP

"Except in a ceremonial sense, the office of the presidency presently lies vacant."

https://www.juancole.com/2018/09/irrelevance-plutocratic-security.html


"I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives." Leo Tolstoy

 

[midcan5]

Another fascinating piece on topic.

'The US is a failed state thanks to its system of government' https://aeon.co/ideas/the-us-is-a-failed-state-thanks-to-its-system-of-government

 

[PostmodernProphet]

yes of course......we are so failed.......I've even heard that our citizens are illegally crossing the border to Canada and seeking asylum.....

 

[TrippyHippy]

Precisely. The U.S is a plutocracy. The office of the President has not mattered for a long time, if it ever really did. It's largely irrelevant if Trump stays or goes. He's a figurehead. It has been a continuation of the same agenda from Nixon to Ford to Carter to Reagan all the way to Trump. This tunnel vision for the presidency needs to go.

Sadly, this thread won't get as much attention as the hundreds of Trump collusion and impeachment threads on this board...but thanks for the share anyway.

 

[Nordberg]

Precisely. The U.S is a plutocracy. The office of the President has not mattered for a long time, if it ever really did. It's largely irrelevant if Trump stays or goes. He's a figurehead. It has been a continuation of the same agenda from Nixon to Ford to Carter to Reagan all the way to Trump. This tunnel vision for the presidency needs to go.

Sadly, this thread won't get as much attention as the hundreds of Trump collusion and impeachment threads on this board...but thanks for the share anyway.

Americans make the mistake of thinking the wealthy are just blundering along to the goal of a plutocracy. The wealthy are intelligent and have the resources to make the system into their kingdom.

Long ago, they saw controlling the news was a great start. Corporations and the wealthy bought up all the avenues of news and communications. it took a long time, and it is nearly done. It is not just Fox Gnus, the overt right wing propaganda source, but many more. The rich rightys bought up newspapers, TV stations , radio stations, magazines, and TV and movie producers. They can take over. They own non thinking rightys, who believe the billionaires like trump care about them. it is amazing and refutes the lessons of history.

Hard to believe how fast things go bad.

 

[anonymoose]

And the way we are - well said.

'America was a Plutocratic Nat’l Security State and Still Is'

"Compare the America that welcomed young Donald Trump into the world in 1946 with the country that, some 70 years later, elected him president. As the post-World War II era was beginning, three large facts — so immense that they were simply taken for granted — defined America."" See OP

"Except in a ceremonial sense, the office of the presidency presently lies vacant."

https://www.juancole.com/2018/09/irrelevance-plutocratic-security.html

Best article I've seen posted by you. Thanks. Haven't had time to read it all , yet.

Sadly, this thread won't get as much attention as the hundreds of Trump collusion and impeachment threads on this board...but thanks for the share anyway.

 

[midcan5]

This piece is excellent, enjoy.

'In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people of low ability have illusory superiority and mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is.'

'Killer cognitive bias, air pollution and climate change.'

 

[Truth Detector]

And the way we are - well said.

'America was a Plutocratic Nat’l Security State and Still Is'

"Compare the America that welcomed young Donald Trump into the world in 1946 with the country that, some 70 years later, elected him president. As the post-World War II era was beginning, three large facts — so immense that they were simply taken for granted — defined America."" See OP

"Except in a ceremonial sense, the office of the presidency presently lies vacant."

https://www.juancole.com/2018/09/irrelevance-plutocratic-security.html


"I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it be such as would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, which they have proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives." Leo Tolstoy

Solution; self deport. I'll help you pack your bags snowflake. One less America hating douchebag.

 

[Truth Detector]

yes of course......we are so failed.......I've even heard that our citizens are illegally crossing the border to Canada and seeking asylum.....

Worse; they are moving to Venezuela and El Salvador!!

 

[Truth Detector]

Precisely. The U.S is a plutocracy. The office of the President has not mattered for a long time, if it ever really did. It's largely irrelevant if Trump stays or goes. He's a figurehead. It has been a continuation of the same agenda from Nixon to Ford to Carter to Reagan all the way to Trump. This tunnel vision for the presidency needs to go.

Sadly, this thread won't get as much attention as the hundreds of Trump collusion and impeachment threads on this board...but thanks for the share anyway.

 

[Truth Detector]

Americans make the mistake of thinking the wealthy are just blundering along to the goal of a plutocracy. The wealthy are intelligent and have the resources to make the system into their kingdom.

Long ago, they saw controlling the news was a great start. Corporations and the wealthy bought up all the avenues of news and communications. it took a long time, and it is nearly done. It is not just Fox Gnus, the overt right wing propaganda source, but many more. The rich rightys bought up newspapers, TV stations , radio stations, magazines, and TV and movie producers. They can take over. They own non thinking rightys, who believe the billionaires like trump care about them. it is amazing and refutes the lessons of history.

Hard to believe how fast things go bad.

What is keeping you here? I'll help you pack. One more less douchebag.

 

[Truth Detector]

Best article I've seen posted by you. Thanks. Haven't had time to read it all , yet.

The article is proof that the liberal left is too stupid and of too low an IQ to comprhend why this country is great and why Trump was elected and getting things done that help the American people.

These morons want to go back to the lie Obamunsim where malaise was prevalent and we were being told to get used to it, this was the new economy.

 

[evince]

trump was NOT elected by the American people


the republican party has been subverting Democracy for decades


Lets remember what brought Nixon down

SPYING ON THE DEMOCRACTIC HEAD QUARTERS so he could subvert democracy



our system works folks


The republican party has been destroying the peoples choice for decades

Kill the current republican party and fox and we will heal quickly

 

[Truth Detector]

This piece is excellent, enjoy.

Nothing excellent about it; it is a massive pile of leftist bile that only the lowest IQ can cheer about or believe is even remotely related to the truth.

 

[Truth Detector]

trump was NOT elected by the American people

Yes, he actually was you brain dead lunatic. But you're in great company with the lunatic who started this thread....and in case you forget.....

 

[evince]

the PEOPLE did not choose Trump

Putin did

 

[anonymoose]

This piece is excellent, enjoy.

'In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people of low ability have illusory superiority and mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is.'

'Killer cognitive bias, air pollution and climate change.'

To be honest I've always thought that anybody that thinks they're capable or qualified to be POTUS is at least a little bit off their rocker in one way or another, and that's what it takes. Who in their right mind would want that job?
From what I've read about George Washington, he seemed to have the most humble attitude.
I might would do it for one term then take my pension. Four yrs is nothing in the scheme of things, but I'd have to start by age 56 so I could enjoy the autumn of life.

 

[Truth Detector]

the PEOPLE did not choose Trump

Putin did

Moron eruption. :rolf2:

 

[anonymoose]

The article is proof that the liberal left is too stupid and of too low an IQ to comprhend why this country is great and why Trump was elected and getting things done that help the American people.

These morons want to go back to the lie Obamunsim where malaise was prevalent and we were being told to get used to it, this was the new economy.

You can't disagree with this:

Yet the cataclysm that Trump’s ascendency was said to signify has yet to occur. Barring a nuclear war, it won’t.

If you spend your days watching CNN or MSNBC or reading columnists employed by the New York Times and the Washington Post, you might conclude otherwise. But those are among the institutions that, on November 8, 2016, suffered a nervous breakdown from which they have yet to recover.

or this:

Americans today are deeply divided. There exists no greater symbol of that division than Trump himself — the wild enthusiasm he generates in some quarters and the antipathy verging on hatred he elicits in others.

And I agree with this:

Trump is not the problem. Think of him instead as a summons to address the real problem, which in a nation ostensibly of, by, and for the people is the collective responsibility of the people themselves. For Americans to shirk that responsibility further will almost surely pave the way for more Trumps — or someone worse (I would say more extreme) — to come.

I've said this before. Clinton begat Bush Jr., Bush Jr. begat Obama, Obama begat Trump. Trumpism will sire someone more extreme than Obama. Whether Trump is re-elected or not I can almost guarantee his successor will be a dim and it won't be pretty. It's why I voted for Johnson. Not that I thought he'd win but IMO some sanity needs to be restored to nat'l politics. I don't see that happening anytime soon.
If Trump is re-elected (and I think he will be) the country will inevitably have Trump fatigue, just as it had Clinton fatigue, Bush fatigue and fatigue with Obama's policies (not so much Obama) as seen by the historic losses by dims in congress and governorships.

 

[TrippyHippy]

Nice meme. How am I wrong? Is it not true the power and influence of the presidency is far overstated? Is it not true that political decisions are made as the result of lobbying efforts and bribes in the form of campaign donations? Are we not a country run by wealthy interests? Why is it, then, that many of our most controversial laws seem written specifically to benefit major industries?