Threading the Needle on the Filibuster

Mina

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If not for the filibuster, the votes would likely be there for a national law protecting abortion rights. It's already passed the House, and as usual, the only thing holding it up in the Senate is Manchin and Sinema hiding behind supposed reverence for the filibuster. A few nominally pro-choice Republicans would also take refuge behind that supposed love of procedure, in order to avoid protecting a woman's right to choose. But I think it may be possible to frame this in a way that makes that cowardly position less tenable.

Basically, rather than repealing the filibuster, just change the rules so it doesn't apply in certain circumstances (the same stunt the Republicans pulled to ram through these far-right Supreme Court justices in the first place). That's actually a long-standing idea, since for years it's been possible to get around the filibuster for "reconciliation," if the parliamentarian affirms certain things about the bill. Well, this would be similar. If the parliamentarian affirms that the bill would just restore a status quo that was overturned by the courts, then no super-majority is necessary in the Senate. Basically, if unelected judges have forced the issue, the Senate is no longer hamstrung by its anti-democratic voting rules, and a simple majority can carry the point.

In the short-term, it would function as a one-off exception. But, it might also come up in the future if, for example, the high court's theocrats were to overturn the case making gay marriage legal, and Congress wanted to pass a law restoring gay marriage rights nationally. It wouldn't trump the Constitution, of course-- if the court ruled that, as a matter of Constitutional Law, abortion was illegal, no mere law could overturn that. But when the court effectively reverses a prior ruling and thereby kicks matters back to the states, it would provide a more realistic path to have the federal government keep the matter as something handled consistently nation-wide.
 
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Double edge sword, majority rule, which ending the filibuster would create, is what gave us the current 100% political Supreme Court, a Court on a mission, Trump’s nominees would have never been approved if the supermajority were present. Can you imagine the legislation Trump would have rammed thru in his first two years if the filibuster was absent?

Yet the second part is that without a doubt, if the GOP were to take back the White House in 2024 and keep the Senate, one of the first things Mitch would do is end the filibuster
 
Double edge sword, majority rule, which ending the filibuster would create, is what gave us the current 100% political Supreme Court, a Court on a mission, Trump’s nominees would have never been approved if the supermajority were present.

I think we've got the worst of both worlds right now, since the filibuster neuters the Democrats, but the Republicans will gladly just roll it back when they want something done (including a national law outlawing abortion, if they wind up with a simple majority in the senate for that).

Can you imagine the legislation Trump would have rammed thru in his first two years if the filibuster was absent?

Like a budget-destroying upper-class tax cut? Oh, wait, he passed that just fine, just as Bush did before him. Can you think of some law he'd have pushed through if not for the filibuster?
 
If not for the filibuster, the votes would likely be there for a national law protecting abortion rights. It's already passed the House, and as usual, the only thing holding it up in the Senate is Manchin and Sinema hiding behind supposed reverence for the filibuster. A few nominally pro-choice Republicans would also take refuge behind that supposed love of procedure, in order to avoid protecting a woman's right to choose. But I think it may be possible to frame this in a way that makes that cowardly position less tenable.

Basically, rather than repealing the filibuster, just change the rules so it doesn't apply in certain circumstances (the same stunt the Republicans pulled to ram through these far-right Supreme Court justices in the first place). That's actually a long-standing idea, since for years it's been possible to get around the filibuster for "reconciliation," if the parliamentarian affirms certain things about the bill. Well, this would be similar. If the parliamentarian affirms that the bill would just restore a status quo that was overturned by the courts, then no super-majority is necessary in the Senate. Basically, if unelected judges have forced the issue, the Senate is no longer hamstrung by its anti-democratic voting rules, and a simple majority can carry the point.

In the short-term, it would function as a one-off exception. But, it might also come up in the future if, for example, the high court's theocrats were to overturn the case making gay marriage legal, and Congress wanted to pass a law restoring gay marriage rights nationally. It wouldn't trump the Constitution, of course-- if the court ruled that, as a matter of Constitutional Law, abortion was illegal, no mere law could overturn that. But when the court effectively reverses a prior ruling and thereby kicks matters back to the states, it would provide a more realistic path to have the federal government keep the matter as something handled consistently nation-wide.

Your point is moot.

If not for the 17th Amendment, the Senate would currently be composed of close to 60 Republicans appointed by Republican led state legislatures and governors.
 
The Filibuster was a brain fart idea that will never work to serve the People in such a polarized political climate that the United States is currently in- and something our forefathers that approved the Filibuster never envisioned.

Our forefathers never envisioned a total corruption of one of the two political parties that make up our political process.

So, the filibuster has to be done away with, so that now and in the future, the party not in power has the power to OBSTRUCT and further corrupt the legislation process.

If the Democrats do not end the filibuster process, the Republicans surely will when they come into power again and corrupt our governmental bodies all over again!
 
The Filibuster was a brain fart idea that will never work to serve the People in such a polarized political climate that the United States is currently in- and something our forefathers that approved the Filibuster never envisioned.

Our forefathers never envisioned a total corruption of one of the two political parties that make up our political process.

So, the filibuster has to be done away with, so that now and in the future, the party not in power has the power to OBSTRUCT and further corrupt the legislation process.

If the Democrats do not end the filibuster process, the Republicans surely will when they come into power again and corrupt our governmental bodies all over again!

The current version only really got started in the 1970's and a good part of its existence can be traced back to the adoption of the 17th Amendment again. When the Senate stopped being appointed by the states and became a Defacto second House elected by popular vote, the filibuster gained importance as a tool to prevent the Senate simply being a rubber stamp of the House.
 
The current version only really got started in the 1970's and a good part of its existence can be traced back to the adoption of the 17th Amendment again. When the Senate stopped being appointed by the states and became a Defacto second House elected by popular vote, the filibuster gained importance as a tool to prevent the Senate simply being a rubber stamp of the House.

The House of Representatives is, and as it should be, a rubber stamp of the people they serve- SO WHY SHOULDN'T THE CONGRESS BE A RUBBER STAMP OF THE PEOPLE AND THE HOUSE?

Here you go with the stacking of the decks again!
 
The House of Representatives is, and as it should be, a rubber stamp of the people they serve- SO WHY SHOULDN'T THE CONGRESS BE A RUBBER STAMP OF THE PEOPLE AND THE HOUSE?

Here you go with the stacking of the decks again!

Because there are more parties involved than the people alone. The system was set up to divide power, not concentrate it. The House represented The People. The Senate represented The States. The President represented the nation.
The Senate was supposed to be chosen by state governments (which were elected by that state's residents) to represent the State. It gave state legislatures and governors a say in national affairs. The 17th Amendment eliminated that and turned the Senate into another House. It concentrated power and that's bad.
 
Double edge sword, majority rule, which ending the filibuster would create, is what gave us the current 100% political Supreme Court, a Court on a mission, Trump’s nominees would have never been approved if the supermajority were present. Can you imagine the legislation Trump would have rammed thru in his first two years if the filibuster was absent?

Yet the second part is that without a doubt, if the GOP were to take back the White House in 2024 and keep the Senate, one of the first things Mitch would do is end the filibuster

Thanks, Harry Reid! :awesome:

Another "unintended consequence" not seen by Democrats.
 
The Filibuster was a brain fart idea that will never work to serve the People in such a polarized political climate that the United States is currently in- and something our forefathers that approved the Filibuster never envisioned.

Our forefathers never envisioned a total corruption of one of the two political parties that make up our political process.

So, the filibuster has to be done away with, so that now and in the future, the party not in power has the power to OBSTRUCT and further corrupt the legislation process.

If the Democrats do not end the filibuster process, the Republicans surely will when they come into power again and corrupt our governmental bodies all over again!

You're such a fuckin' tard.

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