Torture

[SmarterthanYou]

treaties become law of the land, but the terms of a treaty may not violate the constitution in any way, shape, or form.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

treaties become law of the land, but the terms of a treaty may not violate the constitution in any way, shape, or form.

the UN charter specifically spells out that the treaty/charter is not to supercede the constitution, in the reservations, it spells this out quite clearly and lists a few amendments...

the charter is, however, as you rightly say, the law of the land in a somewhat equal relationship with the constitution....

 

[maineman]

It doesn't "supersede" the constitution, it becomes equal to it. Among the list of things that are the "Supreme Law of the Land" are listed the Constitution, and Treaties.

This is why it takes a ratification process to pass treaties, they have very heavy weight indeed.

precisely. and nothing in the UN Convention against torture is in conflict with the constitution in any way. It is, therefore, the supreme law of the land. period.

 

[maineman]

Clearly it is you who do not understand it, or are lying about it for partisan reasons.

You inferred it,as you are inferring it now.

I don't have any reason to visit Maine, but if I did, queer marriage wouldn't be a consideration. What will you do when two queers ask you to perform a marriage ceremony?

I understand it quite well. I understand the definition of torture contained therein.

you might very well incorrectly INFER something from MY words, but I certainly do not IMPLY any such thing with them.

What I will do regarding gay marriage is really not anything I care to discuss with the likes of you. Rest assured, I will act with the approval of my church council or I will not act.

 

[Jeff]

I understand it quite well. I understand the definition of torture contained therein.

you might very well incorrectly INFER something from MY words, but I certainly do not IMPLY any such thing with them.

What I will do regarding gay marriage is really not anything I care to discuss with the likes of you. Rest assured, I will act with the approval of my church council or I will not act.

I am curious what does a preacher do if he is against same sex marriages and is asked to perform one?

Do you still do it if the church says it is OK?

 

[Crashk]

If it can be demonstrated that waterboarding has saved American lives, I'm all for it, so long as it is also proven that the recipient is involved in terrorism. At that point, who really gives a fuck? Would you prefer another attack on American soil? Apparently that is the case...

Thomas Jefferson just rolled over in his grave.

 

[maineman]

Thomas Jefferson just rolled over in his grave.

precisely. Being an American used to mean standing for some higher set of principles than savages.

 

[DamnYankee]

It doesn't "supersede" the constitution, it becomes equal to it. Among the list of things that are the "Supreme Law of the Land" are listed the Constitution, and Treaties.

This is why it takes a ratification process to pass treaties, they have very heavy weight indeed.

They're not equal to it either.

 

[NOVA]

precisely. Being an American used to mean standing for some higher set of principles than savages.

I guess that explains why this group of DEMOCRATS that were briefed on 'enhanced interrogation methods' didn't express any reservations about exactly what they were told....

Nancy Pelosi
Bob Graham
Shelby
Rockefeller
Harry Reid
John Murtha
Evan Bayh
Barbara Mikulski
Russ Feingold
Carl Levin
Dianne Feinstein
Bill Nelson'
Sheldon Whitehouse
Jerrod Nadler
Bobby Scott

But being hypocrites, they can slime others while making excuses about themselves....not even unusual considering they are Democrats....

 

[DamnYankee]

Thomas Jefferson just rolled over in his grave.

Not quite. Many Patriots did far worse. I'm sure the Tories called them terrorists.

 

[DamnYankee]

I am curious what does a preacher do if he is against same sex marriages and is asked to perform one?

Do you still do it if the church says it is OK?

...

What I will do regarding gay marriage is really not anything I care to discuss with the likes of you. Rest assured, I will act with the approval of my church council or I will not act.

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