Trump and Nationalism

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Evmetro

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I am starting this thread to establish what Trump meant when he said he is a Nationalist. I want to establish what kind of Nationalist Trump is, since there are several meanings. First, we will look at what exactly Trump said when he declared himself a Nationalist, and we will look at it in the correct context.

“A globalist is a person that wants the globe to do well, frankly, not caring about our country so much. And you know what? We can’t have that,” Trump said.

"You know, they have a word – it’s sort of became old-fashioned – it’s called a nationalist. And I say, really, we’re not supposed to use that word. You know what I am? I’m a nationalist, okay? I’m a nationalist. Nationalist. Nothing wrong. Use that word. Use that word."

So, Trump used Nationalism as opposed to Globalism, and he did not mention his or anybody else's race.


Ok, now we have established what Trump said, in its correct context. Now we need to see the four different meanings of Nationalism that could possibly apply to a white person who is claiming to be a Nationalist.

1. Nationalism:

na·tion·al·ismDictionary result for nationalism
/ˈnaSH(ə)nəˌlizəm/Submit
noun
identification with one's own nation and support for its interests, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations.
"their nationalism is tempered by a desire to join the European Union"
synonyms: patriotism, patriotic sentiment, allegiance/loyalty to one's country, loyalism, nationality; more
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2. White Nationalism

Rational Wiki:
White nationalism claims that white people are a race and seeks to develop a "national identity" based on that race. They seek to ensure the survival of (what they see as) the white race and its culture, usually in opposition to a supposed globalist threat or Zionist conspiracy.
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3. A white person who happens to be a Nationalist as described in definition #1, who is not the fringe group described in item #2

4. Conflated White Nationalism:

This is when item number two is used in place of items 1 or 3.

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Below is a video that contains Trump's declaration. Can you match his declaration to the correct definition above?



 
Evmetro said:
I am starting this thread to establish what Trump meant when he said he is a Nationalist. I want to establish what kind of Nationalist Trump is, since there are several meanings. First, we will look at what exactly Trump said when he declared himself a Nationalist, and we will look at it in the correct context.

“A globalist is a person that wants the globe to do well, frankly, not caring about our country so much. And you know what? We can’t have that,” Trump said.

"You know, they have a word – it’s sort of became old-fashioned – it’s called a nationalist. And I say, really, we’re not supposed to use that word. You know what I am? I’m a nationalist, okay? I’m a nationalist. Nationalist. Nothing wrong. Use that word. Use that word."

So, Trump used Nationalism as opposed to Globalism, and he did not mention his or anybody else's race.


Ok, now we have established what Trump said, in its correct context. Now we need to see the four different meanings of Nationalism that could possibly apply to a white person who is claiming to be a Nationalist.

1. Nationalism:



2. White Nationalism

Rational Wiki:


3. A white person who happens to be a Nationalist as described in definition #1, who is not the fringe group described in item #2

4. Conflated White Nationalism:

This is when item number two is used in place of items 1 or 3.

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Below is a video that contains Trump's declaration. Can you match his declaration to the correct definition above?



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Beats the hell out of the left and its never ending quest for "GLOBALISM" and "WORLD SOCIALISM"...….parties that have been documented to have caused the death's of over 100 million people in the 20th century on their quest for SOCIAL JUSTICE.

The false premise? You attempt to equate NATIONALISM with hate and a hate group that the left has self labeled WHITE NATIONALISTS. Hitler was a nationalist....but also a self defined SOCIALIST. This is not a one party system. Socialism and Nationalism is a bi-sexual bitch....she swings both ways and in the middle. Sometimes nationalism works for a good cause....sometimes it works as an evil entity because of the people within its ranks. Would you call CHURCHHILL an evil person? He was a nationalist. Gandhi was a nationalist...was he evil? How about the nationalist Mandela?
 
Ralph said:
Beats the hell out of the left and its never ending quest for "GLOBALISM" and "WORLD SOCIALISM"...….parties that have been documented to have caused the death's of over 100 million people in the 20th century on their quest for SOCIAL JUSTICE.

The false premise? You attempt to equate NATIONALISM with hate and a hate group that the left has self labeled WHITE NATIONALISTS. Hitler was a nationalist....but also a self defined SOCIALIST. This is not a one party system. Socialism and Nationalism is a bi-sexual bitch....she swings both ways and in the middle. Sometimes nationalism works for a good cause....sometimes it works as an evil entity because of the people within its ranks. Would you call CHURCHHILL an evil person? He was a nationalist. Gandhi was a nationalist...was he evil? How about the nationalist Mandela?
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I maintain definition #1 is what Trump declared. All the lefty replies that you have seen before this post support #1 as well.
 
Trump has encouraged white nationalists to be aggressive. He could not even be critical after Charlottesville. Trump is sometimes pressured into giving a small, insincere statement after a wrong in committed, assuming it is done by a white. Like he hasn't discussed our coast guard potential cereal killer. But he always has something to say about brown or black people doing wrong. Trump is esentially a fascist in waiting and admires what they stand for. He would love to end the free press and only have good things printed or said about him. He has such a thin skin and loves power so much. He encouraged followers to attack protesters and the press. That is Trumps bottom line belief. He does not respect the values America was founded on, just like he has no respect for the law.
 
Nordberg said:
Trump has encouraged white nationalists to be aggressive. He could not even be critical after Charlottesville. Trump is sometimes pressured into giving a small, insincere statement after a wrong in committed, assuming it is done by a white. Like he hasn't discussed our coast guard potential cereal killer. But he always has something to say about brown or black people doing wrong. Trump is esentially a fascist in waiting and admires what they stand for. He would love to end the free press and only have good things printed or said about him. He has such a thin skin and loves power so much. He encouraged followers to attack protesters and the press. That is Trumps bottom line belief. He does not respect the values America was founded on, just like he has no respect for the law.
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Which number from 1 to 4 in the opening post best describes Trump's declared nationalism?
 
countryboy said:
Lies are not "evidence and facts".
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It took him days after his staff asked over and over for him to blurt out a tepid response. We knew he was lying to take the heat off. That is just who Trump is and most Repubs are. I wonder if you guys actually convince yourselves of such bullshit, or do you think lying will pull others on your side? But we know better.
 
jimmymccready said:
Trump is a fascist nationalist: we all know that.
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Just prove that Trump is a fascist. Fascism: A political theory advocating 'Authoritarian' hierarchical government where the State controls, property, banks, education where all rights come from the STATE.


Now which party advocates state control of banks, the economy, healthcare, weapons, property, the banking system...etc. While Trump advocates a FREE MARKET capitalistic society.


Now what does FASCISM and SOCIALISM have in common? Hitler was a social fascist, Mussolini was social fascist......Stalin was a socialist.


Socialism: A political theory advocating State ownership of property and capital. Communism: A FORM OF SOCIALISM that abolishes private ownership.


Socialism can be fascist in nature as demonstrated via WW2...….SOCIALISM is the root of COMMUNISM. Go Figure. Now simply prove that Trump promotes fascism and the left does not.

THE BIG LIE....fascism is limited to the political right. History Actual proves different.
Now consider the term Hierarchical: What party demands that groups exist in the United States? What demands segregation by Race, Class, Gender, Religion, Sexual habbits..etc.,.....and demands that certain groups be granted Special Holidays and remain loyal to their heritage instead of being assimilated into American Citizens first? What party declares a choice of SEX as a special race of peoples with special privileges? That is FASCISM at its core.


Now here comes the retort: Another Brainiac response that presents no objective evidence that disproves one thing presented. Just some subjective BULLSHIT opinion based on the inability to disprove the first point presented. The left is full of Brainiacs that have grown to old age nursing on the tit of big socialist government and its propaganda.
 
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jimmymccready said:
Trump is a fascist nationalist: we all know that.
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Don't you just love that Evmerto control device? He goes after you about not picking a number when it is ridiculous. You make a statement and he has a ready deflection about what number you should have chosen.
 
Its so silent one can hear crickets in January. (: In other words on the subject of socialism and communism THE LEFT'S assholes are so tight that it takes a dog to hear them fart.
 
Ralph is the same type of creature as Evmetro.

Both are agitpropbots for the Russian fascist infiltration of America. They love Putin and Trump.

Fascist philosophy personally is authoritarian: that is Trump. It is controlling: that is Trump. It is ethnocentric: that is Trump. It is anti-democracy: that is Trump. It is racialist: that is Trump.

Ralph is misspeaking of course. Fascism is Progressive, of the Right and Left. It is not just of the right or just of the left.

People like them are so easy to flummox.
 
jimmymccready said:
Ralph is the same type of creature as Evmetro.

Both are agitpropbots for the Russian fascist infiltration of America. They love Putin and Trump.

Fascist philosophy personally is authoritarian: that is Trump. It is controlling: that is Trump. It is ethnocentric: that is Trump. It is anti-democracy: that is Trump. It is racialist: that is Trump.

Ralph is misspeaking of course. Fascism is Progressive, of the Right and Left. It is not just of the right or just of the left.

People like them are so easy to flummox.
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Don't just talk, say something!
 
When Trump said he was a nationalist, it was clear he was saying, white nationalist. The people he was taking too were clearly frenzied rightys and haters.He was proclaiming himself one of them and their leader. Trump cannot say it out loud, but lots of his followers are Nazis, skinheads and white power types. He is talking in code that allows him to pretend to others that is not what he means. It is.
 
Nordberg said:
When Trump said he was a nationalist, it was clear he was saying, white nationalist.
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Link to the quote in its correct context that backs up you claim.

Here is the quote as I have seen it where he uses the nationalism as opposed to globalism context:


“A globalist is a person that wants the globe to do well, frankly, not caring about our country so much. And you know what? We can’t have that,” Trump said.

"You know, they have a word – it’s sort of became old-fashioned – it’s called a nationalist. And I say, really, we’re not supposed to use that word. You know what I am? I’m a nationalist, okay? I’m a nationalist. Nationalist. Nothing wrong. Use that word. Use that word."
 
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