Trump is a terrible negotiator. Here is what good negotiators do and do not do.

Tacomaman

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Virtually nobody in New York real estate has ever considered Trump to be a good negotiator. In fact, they share a very negative view of him both personally and professionally. Those of us who followed "The Donald" before his foray into reality TV and national politics (Trump has been involved in NY politics for a long time) already knew this. That said, the core element of successful negotiations is UNDERSTANDING that you cannot get everything that you want. Another key is understanding that you cannot fight every battle. You have to choose them wisely. Simply put, getting 40% on one issue and 60% on another averages out to 50%. Not bad in the world of REAL negotiations - not the "bully strong arm" tactics that Trump wrongly believes actually work.

Most everyone would agree that nothing good ever came form a conversation that started with one party saying 'Don't take this the wrong way but". Similarly, no useful and productive negotiation can occur when one side says "If we don't get EVERYTHING we want". By doing so, Trump boxed himself in right from the start. Even "rookie" negotiators know better than to do this. In addition, if you ever "back out" of an agreed to deal, your credibility is shot. Trump has now done this not once but TWICE.

Trump had the House and Senate for two years and failed miserably to get his wall money on his terms. Trump did have his wall money several months ago, but he blew it. All he had to do was agree to DACA. Actually, he agreed to the deal, then "caved" under pressure from the Right Wing media and Freedom Caucus. He did the same thing with the CR to keep the government open. Now he simply cannot be trusted to keep his word. His "crawfishing" makes the Dems uncomfortable and makes the Republican leadership look like idiots.

There is a deal to be made, but Trump will have to shelve his very fragile ego and tell the Right that they are not the entire country and that he was elected to lead the ENTIRE country - not just those who voted for him. If Trump can somehow muster the backbone to do this, he can start to be less a divider and more of a uniter. If Trump continues to desire to ONLY be the president of the 30%'ers, and cater to the whims of Rush, Ann, Hannity and others, then it is simply going to be a very long, rocky and unproductive two years.
 
Virtually nobody in New York real estate has ever considered Trump to be a good negotiator. In fact, they share a very negative view of him both personally and professionally. Those of us who followed "The Donald" before his foray into reality TV and national politics (Trump has been involved in NY politics for a long time) already knew this. That said, the core element of successful negotiations is UNDERSTANDING that you cannot get everything that you want. Another key is understanding that you cannot fight every battle. You have to choose them wisely. Simply put, getting 40% on one issue and 60% on another averages out to 50%. Not bad in the world of REAL negotiations - not the "bully strong arm" tactics that Trump wrongly believes actually work.

Most everyone would agree that nothing good ever came form a conversation that started with one party saying 'Don't take this the wrong way but". Similarly, no useful and productive negotiation can occur when one side says "If we don't get EVERYTHING we want". By doing so, Trump boxed himself in right from the start. Even "rookie" negotiators know better than to do this. In addition, if you ever "back out" of an agreed to deal, your credibility is shot. Trump has now done this not once but TWICE.

Trump had the House and Senate for two years and failed miserably to get his wall money on his terms. Trump did have his wall money several months ago, but he blew it. All he had to do was agree to DACA. Actually, he agreed to the deal, then "caved" under pressure from the Right Wing media and Freedom Caucus. He did the same thing with the CR to keep the government open. Now he simply cannot be trusted to keep his word. His "crawfishing" makes the Dems uncomfortable and makes the Republican leadership look like idiots.

There is a deal to be made, but Trump will have to shelve his very fragile ego and tell the Right that they are not the entire country and that he was elected to lead the ENTIRE country - not just those who voted for him. If Trump can somehow muster the backbone to do this, he can start to be less a divider and more of a uniter. If Trump continues to desire to ONLY be the president of the 30%'ers, and cater to the whims of Rush, Ann, Hannity and others, then it is simply going to be a very long, rocky and unproductive two years.

Trump sucks.

He is, as you mentioned, a terrible negotiator...a guy who probably gets less than he should in every dealing because of his "negotiations."

That negotiation that occurred in the Oval Office with Nancy Pelosi and Chuch Schumer was something for a comic book. They didn't even have to lay a glove on him...every punch he threw was directed at his own chin.

He has some morons as supporters...and they are unwilling to acknowledge that they are morons for doing so...so they continue their support rather than cutting their loses now. Yup...just as he would do in "negotiations."

Unfortunately, the people of America...and, by extension, the world...are being hurt because of Trump and his supporters being such assholes.

In any case...

...YEAH...DONALD TRUMP IS A TERRIBLE NEGOTIATOR.
 
Trump used lawyers to overwhelm contractors who did work for him. He gleefully cheated people He was ignoring contracts. Trump is the deal breaker not a deal maker. He has no respect for others and cheating workers is a Trumpian sport. He is a horrible person and not very bright. These last 2 years were chaos that is nearing entropy. He is making a real mess out of everything he touches. he cannot keep his administration workers in place. They are fleeing from him over and over. He needed about 5 dept heads and then Mattis and McGiurk quit. he does not even have a chief of staff. What a mess.
 
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I knew he was ill equipped to do the job, but I hoped (like many) that he would somehow grow into the job. Sadly, he has digressed even further than I imagined and was afraid of.

There is a reason that the framers designed a form of government that was NOT ran like a business enterprise. Someone like Trump may have actually been what they were afraid of.
 
I knew he was ill equipped to do the job, but I hoped (like many) that he would somehow grow into the job. Sadly, he has digressed even further than I imagined and was afraid of.

There is a reason that the framers designed a form of government that was NOT ran like a business enterprise. Someone like Trump may have actually been what they were afraid of.

How does a 70-year-old with no curiosity and sense of learning grow into a job? Trump is trying to bend the presidency into Trumpian methods. He has not even bothered to learn the parameters of the job.
 
How does a 70-year-old with no curiosity and sense of learning grow into a job? Trump is trying to bend the presidency into Trumpian methods. He has not even bothered to learn the parameters of the job.

72 years old, and yes.... not a shred of intellectual curiosity, nor willingness to learn something new and/or be tutored by "lesser beings" who know more because of experience and education. He has claimed that he surrounds himself with "the best people" like any good executive would. However, his idea of "the best people" are those who don't contradict him and who won't stand up to him. The ones who finally do find their spines end up being fired or resigning.
 
72 years old, and yes.... not a shred of intellectual curiosity, nor willingness to learn something new and/or be tutored by "lesser beings" who know more because of experience and education. He has claimed that he surrounds himself with "the best people" like any good executive would. However, his idea of "the best people" are those who don't contradict him and who won't stand up to him. The ones who finally do find their spines end up being fired or resigning.

Hey, Owl.

Good to see ya.

Merry Christmas.
 
72 years old, and yes.... not a shred of intellectual curiosity, nor willingness to learn something new and/or be tutored by "lesser beings" who know more because of experience and education. He has claimed that he surrounds himself with "the best people" like any good executive would. However, his idea of "the best people" are those who don't contradict him and who won't stand up to him. The ones who finally do find their spines end up being fired or resigning.

Good to see you back, ThatOwlWoman.
 
This is the "insults and unfounded accusations" thread. let the record show the political ideology of the folks that have dominated it!

A bad negotiator who has banked a 10 billion $ personal fortune. Apparently at least half of the world would love to have those negotiating skills. This thread would be funny if it weren't so uninformed, purposely politically biased and filled with childish hatred!!!
 
This is the "insults and unfounded accusations" thread. let the record show the political ideology of the folks that have dominated it!

A bad negotiator who has banked a 10 billion $ personal fortune. Apparently at least half of the world would love to have those negotiating skills. This thread would be funny if it weren't so uninformed, purposely politically biased and filled with childish hatred!!!

You are a gullible fool.

Trump could not negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag!
 
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