UAW 'victory' may really be last gasp for breath

[FUCK THE POLICE]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20996881/

While the United Auto Workers tentative deal with General Motors may look like a victory for labor, it really shows that a once-powerful union is gasping for life.

The power center of U.S. unions is no longer the industrial sector, with once dominant forces like the UAW at the forefront. Today, the big union guns are in service industries less susceptible to outsourcing — everything from health care to hospitality.

“For a long time, the UAW was the face of the labor movement but it’s not where the power is in organized labor any more,” says Julius Getman, labor law professor at the University of Texas School of Law, and author of “Strike.”

 

[Damocles]

It wasn't much of a victory, they went on strike for job security and ended up with a trust fund for retirees with their jobs still in every bit as much danger of going to Mexico as before.

 

[uscitizen]

Just proves that union members are far more realistic than Republicans give them credit for.
should they just expedite the process of the failure of the US auto industry and shoot themselves in the foot ?

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

It wasn't much of a victory, they went on strike for job security and ended up with a trust fund for retirees with their jobs still in every bit as much danger of going to Mexico as before.

I believe you're confused.

The negotiation was to prevent their jobs from being "stolen", and the trust fund was actually the thing GM had been seeking, as it could save them almost a grand per a car in retiree liability.

 

[Damocles]

I believe you're confused.

The negotiation was to prevent their jobs from being "stolen", and the trust fund was actually the thing GM had been seeking, as it could save them almost a grand per a car in retiree liability.

However, there is nothing in the agreement that I read that prevents their jobs from being "stolen", hence my assertion that it is not much of a victory.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

However, there is nothing in the agreement that I read that prevents their jobs from being "stolen", hence my assertion that it is not much of a victory.

There wasn't?

Not what I heard on NPR.

I'm pretty sure that the new contract protected jobs from leaving the United States. Not sure what the Mexican GM unions think about that, but it would make no sense for the UAW to end the strike two days in, having done nothing but give GM what it had been asking for anyway.

 

[Damocles]

There wasn't?

Not what I heard on NPR.

I'm pretty sure that the new contract protected jobs from leaving the United States. Not sure what the Mexican GM unions think about that, but it would make no sense for the UAW to end the strike two days in, having done nothing but give GM what it had been asking for anyway.

Which is why I stated, from what I've read of the agreement, I have seen nothing that would prevent their jobs from being "stolen".

It may be there is a large portion of the agreement that I don't know about. To me, and from what I have read, it appears that they simply handed them what they wanted and declared victory.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Which is why I stated, from what I've read of the agreement, I have seen nothing that would prevent their jobs from being "stolen".

It may be there is a large portion of the agreement that I don't know about. To me, and from what I have read, it appears that they simply handed them what they wanted and declared victory.

I swear I heard on NPR that jobs were protected, but I can't find an article saying that.

 

[Damocles]

I swear I heard on NPR that jobs were protected, but I can't find an article saying that.

Yeah, I've been looking too.

I've been practicing my "Well, dayumn... I was wrong..." all day and wanted to use it.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

This is it. Apparently all of the details are apparent yet.

http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7133790&nav=menu66_13

The deal will provide job security for the union in exchange for reforms that will cut GM's fixed costs and free up money for investment in new vehicles, people briefed on the deal have said.

Details of the pact were not made public by either side. The Detroit newspapers said the contract included sharply lower second-tier wages and signing bonuses in addition to the trust for health care.

 

[Bonestorm]

My understanding is that GM made concessions regarding investment in U.S. plants and hiring of U.S. workers.

Basically, each side got something important to it, like any negotiation.

The details aren't yet available pending ratification of the contract so who knows? Certainly not Damo.


Source:

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/newstex/AFX-0013-19850809.htm

 

[Cypress]

I doubt any of us know the ramifications of a bargaining agreement that took months to negotiate, after reading about it for five minutes.

 

[Damocles]

Which is why I stated, from what I've read of the agreement, I have seen nothing that would prevent their jobs from being "stolen".

It may be there is a large portion of the agreement that I don't know about. To me, and from what I have read, it appears that they simply handed them what they wanted and declared victory.

I'll repeat this since people seem to be utterly unrepentant in misrepresenting what I have stated in this thread.

 

[Bonestorm]

Damo - You're hostile to unions. It's fine to admit it. No one is misrepresenting what you said. You basically assumed that the union got hosed even though you don't know squat about the contract because you have a general distaste for unions. Quit hedging.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I doubt any of us know the ramifications of a bargaining agreement that took months to negotiate, after reading about it for five minutes.

These things aren't the most complicated subject in the world.

I'd rather summarize union contracts than factor polynomials...