Ukraine war will end in 2025

Do you think Ukraine war will probably end in 2025?


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Scott

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I'm certainly not complete sure, but I think it's a fairly safe bet. 2 to 1 odds perhaps. I'm making a poll out of this, with people allowed to change their votes for the 60 days that the poll will be available. This is a public poll, I'd like to see who votes which way. An article that I think suggests the war will be ending soon that I thought was pretty good:

Quoting from the introduction and conclusion:
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On January 19th, TIME magazine published an astonishing article, amply confirming what dissident, anti-war academics, activists, journalists and researchers have argued for a decade. The US always intended to abandon Ukraine after setting up the country for proxy war with Russia, and never had any desire or intention to assist Kiev in defeating Moscow in the conflict, let alone achieving its maximalist aims of regaining Crimea and restoring the country’s 1991 borders. To have a major mainstream outlet finally corroborate this indubitable reality is a seismic development.

The TIME article’s brief first paragraph alone is rife with explosive revelations. It notes when the proxy war erupted in February 2022, then-President Joe Biden “set three objectives for the US response” – and “Ukraine’s victory was never among them.” Moreover, the phrase oft-repeated by White House apparatchiks, that Washington would support Kiev “for as long as it takes”, was never meant to be taken literally. Instead, it was just “intentionally vague” newspeak, with no implied timeframe or even desired outcome in mind.

Eric Green, a member of Biden’s National Security Council who oversaw Russia policy, states the US “deliberately…made no promise” to President Volodymyr Zelensky to “recover all of the land Russia had occupied” since the conflict’s inception, “and certainly not” Crimea or the breakaway Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics. He said the White House believed “doing so was beyond Ukraine’s ability, even with robust help from the West.” It was well-understood such efforts were “not going to be a success story ultimately” for Kiev, if tried.

According to TIME, the Biden administration’s three key objectives in Ukraine were all “achieved”.


[snip]

It appears the “peacekeeping” plan is likely to suffer the same fate. On January 20th, coincidentally or not the day of Donald Trump’s inauguration, CIA-created Radio Free Europe published an explainer guide on why sending European troops to Ukraine is “a nonstarter”. Among other things, as the Russians are unambiguously winning, they are unlikely to offer many concessions, particularly allowing foreign soldiers to occupy Kiev’s territory. Furthermore, “as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, Moscow can block any peacekeeping mission.”

As if the message to London and Paris wasn’t emphatic enough, two weeks earlier, at a press conference at his Mar-a-Lago resort, Trump made numerous comments reiterating his commitment to ending the proxy war. “We’re going to have to settle up with Russia,” he declared. Notably, the President sympathised with Moscow’s “written in stone” determination Kiev not be enrolled into NATO, warned the situation “could escalate to be much worse,” and stated his hope the conflict could be wrapped up within six months.

Markedly, Zelensky was not present at Trump’s inauguration. In a January 6th interview with Newsweek, the Ukrainian President – typically never one to shy away from international jollies – said he “would like to [attend], of course”, but had received no invitation. In a rambling response, he said he was “not sure it’s proper to come,” particularly “during the war.” Sources close to Trump have claimed that on the contrary, Zelensky repeatedly asked to attend, but was rebuffed.

For Berlin, Kiev, London, Paris, and NATO more widely, the writing couldn’t be on the wall any more plainly. Whatever reveries they may have of maintaining the proxy war any longer – Britain recently signed a 100-year-long partnership with Ukraine, under which London will “explore” building military bases on Kiev’s soil – they all ultimately remain imperial vassals, wholly dependent on US financial and military support to exist. Save for a major false flag incident, Trump’s message can only be received among the military alliance.

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The Americans Empire has to admit that they lost.....which they are nowhere near yet I think. There are some claims that behind Trump launching threats towards Russia that his team is working behind the scenes to get a deal, but I tend to doubt it. Besides the mission for Trump here is managing defeat, something that he is not good at, and not interested in doing.
 
The battlelines are crumbling for NATO, and the Russians dont want to go all the way to Poland.....but without American Empire capitulation they may have no choice.
 
A ceasefire is not the same as "the end of the war".
As long as Putin is alive and occupying Ukrainian territory, and there is not a vassal government in Kyiv, I don't expect he will ever give up his Messianic dream of a greater holy Rus.
 
I'm certainly not complete sure, but I think it's a fairly safe bet. 2 to 1 odds perhaps. I'm making a poll out of this, with people allowed to change their votes for the 60 days that the poll will be available. This is a public poll, I'd like to see who votes which way. An article that I think suggests the war will be ending soon that I thought was pretty good:

Quoting from the introduction and conclusion:
**
On January 19th, TIME magazine published an astonishing article, amply confirming what dissident, anti-war academics, activists, journalists and researchers have argued for a decade. The US always intended to abandon Ukraine after setting up the country for proxy war with Russia, and never had any desire or intention to assist Kiev in defeating Moscow in the conflict, let alone achieving its maximalist aims of regaining Crimea and restoring the country’s 1991 borders. To have a major mainstream outlet finally corroborate this indubitable reality is a seismic development.

The TIME article’s brief first paragraph alone is rife with explosive revelations. It notes when the proxy war erupted in February 2022, then-President Joe Biden “set three objectives for the US response” – and “Ukraine’s victory was never among them.” Moreover, the phrase oft-repeated by White House apparatchiks, that Washington would support Kiev “for as long as it takes”, was never meant to be taken literally. Instead, it was just “intentionally vague” newspeak, with no implied timeframe or even desired outcome in mind.

Eric Green, a member of Biden’s National Security Council who oversaw Russia policy, states the US “deliberately…made no promise” to President Volodymyr Zelensky to “recover all of the land Russia had occupied” since the conflict’s inception, “and certainly not” Crimea or the breakaway Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics. He said the White House believed “doing so was beyond Ukraine’s ability, even with robust help from the West.” It was well-understood such efforts were “not going to be a success story ultimately” for Kiev, if tried.

According to TIME, the Biden administration’s three key objectives in Ukraine were all “achieved”.


[snip]

It appears the “peacekeeping” plan is likely to suffer the same fate. On January 20th, coincidentally or not the day of Donald Trump’s inauguration, CIA-created Radio Free Europe published an explainer guide on why sending European troops to Ukraine is “a nonstarter”. Among other things, as the Russians are unambiguously winning, they are unlikely to offer many concessions, particularly allowing foreign soldiers to occupy Kiev’s territory. Furthermore, “as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, Moscow can block any peacekeeping mission.”

As if the message to London and Paris wasn’t emphatic enough, two weeks earlier, at a press conference at his Mar-a-Lago resort, Trump made numerous comments reiterating his commitment to ending the proxy war. “We’re going to have to settle up with Russia,” he declared. Notably, the President sympathised with Moscow’s “written in stone” determination Kiev not be enrolled into NATO, warned the situation “could escalate to be much worse,” and stated his hope the conflict could be wrapped up within six months.

Markedly, Zelensky was not present at Trump’s inauguration. In a January 6th interview with Newsweek, the Ukrainian President – typically never one to shy away from international jollies – said he “would like to [attend], of course”, but had received no invitation. In a rambling response, he said he was “not sure it’s proper to come,” particularly “during the war.” Sources close to Trump have claimed that on the contrary, Zelensky repeatedly asked to attend, but was rebuffed.

For Berlin, Kiev, London, Paris, and NATO more widely, the writing couldn’t be on the wall any more plainly. Whatever reveries they may have of maintaining the proxy war any longer – Britain recently signed a 100-year-long partnership with Ukraine, under which London will “explore” building military bases on Kiev’s soil – they all ultimately remain imperial vassals, wholly dependent on US financial and military support to exist. Save for a major false flag incident, Trump’s message can only be received among the military alliance.

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No. The Ukrainians will continue to fight even if a guerrilla war.
 
A ceasefire is not the same as "the end of the war".
As long as Putin is alive and occupying Ukrainian territory, and there is not a vassal government in Kyiv, I don't expect he will ever give up his Messianic dream of a greater holy Rus.

You've shown no evidence that Putin has some "messianic dream". He -does- want to protect Russia from outside threats though, just as the U.S. did when it insisted that Russia take its nukes out of Cuba. From the looks of it, the last thing Putin wants is a simple ceasefire. Russia helped get that, twice, during the Ukraine civil war. All that did was buy time for western powers to arm Ukraine. He won't make that mistake again. This time, it seems clear that he wants a guarantee that Ukraine will never join NATO and that it lets go of any ambitions of taking back much if not all of the territory it lost during this war.
 
The Americans Empire has to admit that they lost.....which they are nowhere near yet I think. There are some claims that behind Trump launching threats towards Russia that his team is working behind the scenes to get a deal, but I tend to doubt it. Besides the mission for Trump here is managing defeat, something that he is not good at, and not interested in doing.
Typical Libtard drivel, I bet you were one of the idiots who clapped like a seal when Obama went on his apology and kneeling tour. You snowflakes can't handle America being the top dog, even though it's so obvious it's practically smacking you in your sanctimonious faces. You'll never change you've been brainwashed into thinking America is the villain and always has been. That's why your party will be licking its wounds out of power for the foreseeable future.
 
Typical Libtard drivel, I bet you were one of the idiots who clapped like a seal when Obama went on his apology and kneeling tour. You snowflakes can't handle America being the top dog, even though it's so obvious it's practically smacking you in your sanctimonious faces. You'll never change you've been brainwashed into thinking America is the villain and always has been. That's why your party will be licking its wounds out of power for the foreseeable future.
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Don't have any idea. We know Putin is in over his head, and only created a rush to join NATO, not reduce it's influence. He's got no victory to point to for his domestic base, and can't even repel Ukrainians from Russian soil, even importing North Korean trash. lol what a loser.

Time to dismantle the Russian Federation, and sell it off to some theme park developers. All the Jane Fonda channelers will have to learn some new rubbish to parrot, maybe meet up with Steven Seagal and gorge on donuts and burgers.
 
A ceasefire is not the same as "the end of the war".
As long as Putin is alive and occupying Ukrainian territory, and there is not a vassal government in Kyiv, I don't expect he will ever give up his Messianic dream of a greater holy Rus.

No matter how many times he publicly raves about his imperial dream for a Greater Russia for going on two decades now, some will just refuse to admit he's the problem, not NATO.
 
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