Vote Third Party? Like Ron Paul? You Might Be a Domestic Terrorist!

Epicurus

Epicurus

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Apologies in advance for the overly dramatic title. Still scary though.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/fir...ers-expand-criteria-identify-militia-members/

If you're an anti-abortion activist, or if you display political paraphernalia supporting a third-party candidate or a certain Republican member of Congress, if you possess subversive literature, you very well might be a member of a domestic paramilitary group.

That's according to "The Modern Militia Movement," a report by the Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC), a government collective that identifies the warning signs of potential domestic terrorists for law enforcement communities.

"Due to the current economical and political situation, a lush environment for militia activity has been created," the Feb. 20 report reads. "Unemployment rates are high, as well as costs of living expenses. Additionally, President Elect Barrack [sic] Obama is seen as tight on gun control and many extremists fear that he will enact firearms confiscations."

MIAC is one of 58 so-called "fusion centers" nationwide that were created by the Department of Homeland Security, in part, to collect local intelligence that authorities can use to combat terrorism and related criminal activities. More than $254 million from fiscal years 2004-2007 went to state and local governments to support the fusion centers, according to the DHS Web site.

During a press conference last week in Kansas City, Mo., DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano called fusion centers the "centerpiece of state, local, federal intelligence-sharing" in the future.

"Let us not forget the reason we are here, the reason we have the Department of Homeland Security and the reason we now have fusion centers, which is a relatively new concept, is because we did not have the capacity as a country to connect the dots on isolated bits of intelligence prior to 9/11," Napolitano said, according to a DHS transcript.

"That's why we started this.... Now we know that it's not just the 9/11-type incidents but many, many other types of incidents that we can benefit from having fusion centers that share information and product and analysis upwards and horizontally."

But some say the fusion centers are going too far in whom they identify as potential threats to American security.

People who supported former third-party presidential candidates like Texas Rep. Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin and former Georgia Rep. Bob Barr are cited in the report, in addition to anti-abortion activists and conspiracy theorists who believe the United States, Mexico and Canada will someday form a North American Union.

"Militia members most commonly associate with 3rd party political groups," the report reads. "It is not uncommon for militia members to display Constitutional Party, Campaign for Liberty or Libertarian material."

Other potential signals of militia involvement, according to the report, are possession of the Gagsden "Don't Tread on Me" flag or the widely available anti-income tax film "America: Freedom to Fascism."
 
I wouldn't worry much about right wing groups funded under Bush. Unless I worked for them. Obama is going to tap that ass.
 
you should hear the MIAC backpedal on the 3rd party political groups now, stumbling over all kinds of apologies. That didn't keep them from continuing to view anti abortion, anti-gun control, and anti-anything else as possible domestic terrorists though. Guess I'll have to ride through Missouri with my NRA/Hells Angels leather jacket on.
 
I do find it interesting that with the Republican party struggling to keep from drowning and the democrats actively jumping in the lake to join them, that a highly publicized report indicating 3rd party supporters MIGHT be domestic terrorists just a bit convenient.

excuse me. part of the 'militia' movement.
 
"Vote Third Party? Like Ron Paul? You Might Be a Domestic Terrorist!"

Guilty as charged.... throw on the cuffs officer, Congressman Paul is my kind of politician and yes I tend to vote for third party candidates your honor... so I guess I'm headed for double-secret probation or some other equally distasteful punishment at the hands of my partisan betters. :(
 
People who supported former third-party presidential candidates like Texas Rep. Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin and former Georgia Rep. Bob Barr are cited in the report, in addition to anti-abortion activists and conspiracy theorists who believe the United States, Mexico and Canada will someday form a North American Union.
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Have any of you ever looked at what they post on stormfront?

This makes up 90% of it.

That is all.
 
Watermark said:
Have any of you ever looked at what they post on stormfront?

This makes up 90% of it.

That is all.
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Yes, but what is posted on Stormfront is not what is typical of the people who hold these political views. It's even a small percentage of the kooky people you meet in the grassroots or the internet who are actually involved in anything like this.

To brand a whole group of people from a fraction of a fraction is a more than a little unfair, and I was glad to see in the report that ACLU was chipping in.

That said, I'm not sure this was the best use of C4L and YAL's time, though they appear to have succeeded. I think maybe they wanted to flex some muscle to organize membership in a difficult time, because I've just received the following message:

March 28, 2009


Dear Friend of Liberty,

Although it sometimes seems that freedom is shrinking everywhere we turn, the fact is a powerful grassroots stand can still stop Big Government bureaucrats in their tracks.

That is exactly what happened to the Missouri Highway Patrol this week after being forced by your vocal outrage to retract the incendiary Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) report.

This report identified peaceful, freedom-loving Americans as possible security threats, simply for supporting Ron Paul or opposing tyrannical government.

Faced with an overwhelming public outcry, Missouri officials quickly started backpedaling, removing references to Ron Paul and Campaign for Liberty.

Then, just hours before Dr. Paul’s plane touched down in St. Louis to lead our Celebration of Freedom rally Friday night, the Missouri Highway Patrol officially retracted the entire offending document.

The Missouri Highway Patrol will be performing an investigation into the origin of the report. Lieutenant Governor Peter Kinder has even called for the suspension of the Director of Public Safety until those responsible have been identified.

Click here to read the news report:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/politics/story/64917.html

It is no surprise that oversight and accountability are in short supply at the MIAC, a Big Government “fusion center” combining federal, state and local agencies into an unconstitutional mess of a bureaucracy. But government disorganization is no excuse for making political profiling and persecution into official policy.

This victory for the grassroots freedom movement, coupled with this weekend’s Campaign for Liberty Regional Conference in St. Louis, marks a great moment for liberty in Missouri and all of America.

This week we saw that politicians still respond to the voices of their constituents.

This week we saw that freedom can triumph over tyranny when we unite to take a stand.

In Liberty,

John Tate
President, Campaign for Liberty

P.S. This week Campaign for Liberty showed that freedom-loving Americans will not be silenced by political persecution. We successfully fought for the retraction of the MIAC report, and we met in St. Louis to celebrate freedom’s victory over tyranny.

Please click here to donate so that Campaign for Liberty can always afford to stand up against tyranny in all its forms.

https://www.campaignforliberty.com/contribute.php?projid=23

(Yeah, I put this down here so people could give money. You can actually become a recurring supporter in a variety of time intervals too, which is very clever on their part).
 
Adam Weinberg said:
(Yeah, I put this down here so people could give money. You can actually become a recurring supporter in a variety of time intervals too, which is very clever on their part).
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Wow that sounds enticing.

Yeah, the Missourri commission shouldn't have had to retract it's support due to a small minority of those obnoxious Paul supporters flooding their servers. They should've just created an internet filter that took anything with the word "Paul" in the title and deleted it.

The report was spot-on.
 
Watermark said:
Wow that sounds enticing.

Yeah, the Missourri commission shouldn't have had to retract it's support due to a small minority of those obnoxious Paul supporters flooding their servers. They should've just created an internet filter that took anything with the word "Paul" in the title and deleted it.
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It is enticing to a person if they are interested in organizing a movement. Why are you offended that an organized minority was able to change something that government officials were doing?

In a country where only a little more than half the voting public go out and vote at the most, we are completely dependent on interests being represented by the few passionate people who are willing to make the difference.

Besides, the media reports make clear this was not just a matter of a few angry people sending emails. Every person and organization that felt unjustifiably singled out by law enforcement in this report made their dissatisfaction clear, as did their supporters.
 
Adam Weinberg said:
In a country where only a little more than half the voting public go out and vote at the most, we are completely dependent on interests being represented by the few passionate people who are willing to make the difference.
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That's the problem. Our policy is completely dictated by monetary interests and the obsessive minority, leaving the common man and the intelligent individual in the dust.
 
Watermark said:
That's the problem. Our policy is completely dictated by monetary interests and the obsessive minority, leaving the common man and the intelligent individual in the dust.
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Organization doesn't care what it's used for. It's a technique. It could be used for acquiring civil rights or acquiring corporate welfare.

This is a two way street, you know. You shouldn't blame people's rights for the wrongs that are carried out under the radar. If anything, it is because common people are not well organized enough that better organized interests beat them to the punch in controlling government.

And that doesn't mean the "common" person (a vague term if there ever was one) is the only one who needs to be represented. One common person may have doubts about what rights and privileges another common person deserves. Everyone's interests need protection.

These people felt their good names were being associated with bad things by law enforcement, and they used what influence and resources (which isn't a lot, but you can only use what you have) they had to reverse the policy.

The freedoms we have to influence our system of government by our collective actions have many pitfalls, but there is no way to legislate yourself out of that condition without losing your opportunity to change what may come along in the future.
 
BTW, campaigns should be publically funded. If one candidate decides to go with private funding, there should be public funding to match him.
 
Watermark said:
If I see a guy with a Swastika on his wall and a Ron Paul bumper sticker, I don't have to be a genius to draw the connection.
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What connection? Is that actionable intelligence to pin him to a crime or a domestic terrorist movement?

Do you have some kind of evidence that says wannabe domestic terrorists spend their time as activists in peaceful political campaigns and political non-profits, or is it a knee jerk reaction to put all eccentrics into the same category?

The only evidence from your description would seem to be that the guy is a racist and also liked a politician named Ron Paul. None of that makes you a legal suspect in the United States.

That's not even newsworthy let alone worth the attention of law enforcement.
 
Isn't that funny? An organization put together by the government claims that anyone who is not a totally dependent upon one of the two political parties is more than likely a terrorist. In other words, if you don't buy their shit and think it doesn't stink then you are the enemy.

America takes another step in the direction of fascism.

Immie
 
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